+ 72 Proviron...Should you use it?
Resulting from numerous posts asking about proviron's uses and general questions, i have created a short fact sheet below, which not only encompasses common knowledge, it also identifies the un-common rules associated with proviron.
Proviron roster:
1) What is Proviron?
2) Proviron's uses x4
3) Benefits of proviron use on cycle
4) Proviron and Deca
5) Proviron dosages
6) Conclusion
7) My experiences
Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).
However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen levels under control in the male body (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro)) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.
Bodybuilders use proviron for four main reasons outlined below:
1) As a result of proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. Therefore, due to the increased strength (in comparison to testosterone) in its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes, it prevents estrogen build-up.
2) As previously mentioned, proviron increases the amount of free testosterone in the male human body. This is a very important point to consider, since approximately ~98% of testosterone is bound to the sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus, since it is bound to the SHBG it is not free testosterone any more and therefore cannot be used to build muscle.
3) As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option (proviron has been named as an oral masteron - this topic is debateable). The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, thus decreasing water retention.
4) Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence and helps a males sex-drive upto a certain point. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.
A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.
To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.
I thank all you guys commenting on this proviron topic - and you may be asking yourself, why did i chose to write this...karma? Well...it would be good in encouraging me to continue to write posts and learn more to share my knowledge base, but also to gain opinions.
We have the simple facts (as above), but personal experiences are where it's at.
I came across proviron 2 years ago, where a friend had no clue what to do with it let alone what it was for, so he kindly gave me his proviron free of charge - and, i suppose, as a thank you, i decided to write this post (as above), so that if he were ever in a situation where he once again had proviron, he would know when, how and at what dosages to use it at.
So i proceeded with a little self experiment (not particularly scientifically controlled), i chose to do two AAS cycles, very simple ones, however, one had proviron in, and the other didn't.
The cycles are as followes:
Cycle #1 (Without proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Cycle #2 (With proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 1-12 = Proviron/25mg ED
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
The controlled factors are as followes:
+) Diet was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 - same meal sizes, portions, macro-nutrient breakdowns and mealtimes.
+) Training was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 (however, an overall increase of ~5% resulting from the first cycle was carried forward).
+) Training time was consistent, same with intensity - I had the same job, so this control was relatively easy to adhere towards.
+) BF% monitored constantly throughout both cycles - BF% remained the same, with a +/- 1% when on cycle due to a tiny bit of bloat
Findings
I too, like GS took my asin in the morning with grapefruit juice and peanut butter, and after a week i found myself to be extremely drowsy and de-motivated in comparison to my 'normal' self. So, i did some reading, and found that free estrogen levels peak towards the end of the night, thus, i began takin the asin pre-bed.
Now, my findings as far as the proviron goes - well, libido wise i was flying high on Cycle #1, but with the inclusion of proviron in Cycle #2 made me want to penetrate anything and everything! In my opinion, the dosage i took was conservative, and although it's is hard to quantify, my 'hornyness' rose ~7-10%. Now we conclude...
Conclusion
My gains post PCT with Cycle #1 were 11.5 lbs, and in Cycle #2 were 11lbs.
Now, this has got me thinking. There are many factors which could have played part in here. In my opinion, post Cycles #1 and #2 revealed good gains, but the gains in Cycle #2 dropped slightly - this could be to do with my body being increasingly responsive towards external test sources among many other factors.
Although my conclusion is brief, i do believe proviron is an important factor in ones cycle, simply because the hornyness (feeling of anabolic well-being) was greatly appreciated by myself, through increases in free testosterone, but also in aggression and motivation in the gym
Thanks for reading,
Brutha-P
References: (http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_5495558_proviron-side-effects.html)
Disclaimer: This post has been written 100% by myself P. If you feel i have breached copyright infringements I would like to see proof.
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I remember bro:-) I honestly have never felt sleepy on Aro. Maybe I've just never paid attention. I'll try n pay attention to how I feel after I take it.
cdaddy7I leave it alone myself bc of the DHT issues and prostate...im approaching 40 and I know that for me I got to take care of that sex gland
rayfetaa.
That's a good reason. Lol. It's fairly mild in that sense. I used 50mg a day. I am 31 but already bald. My doctors are aware of what I do and I am monitored bi-monthly for everything. As inconvenient as that can be, it's a necessity for the rest of my life because of some medical issues I've had within the last 6 months. So I am pretty confident that I know my body well enough and have the education on AAS to run anabolics safety and if I screw up along the way, the docs have my back (I think). Lol. But I hear ya. Don't you think that Winstrol, EQ, Masteron are far worse as far as possible prostate issues than proviron?
cdaddy7Oh Hell yeah bro...I just use the rule of thumb with benefits vs sides and i usually get my answer. Just never had the need for an oral like proviron but I'm Def not saying it wouldn't b gold to another person cause we r def different and I'm not big on orals, but thats just me and i know my body and what works for me. That is a huge factor in success to me
I'm not either. I've always pinned! When my boys were poppin cheque drops and halo, I was pinning tren! I have a phobia for those words "Liver toxicity"! Lol. I know, tren Isnt much better but I feel ya on the orals. And I shoudk state tha I haven't run proviron since that happened. Not saying I won't run it again but I need everything else to be spot on before I go there again
cdaddy7Sweet input my brother from another motha +1 love
rayfetaa.
BOOM! Now THERE'S a non-generic post based on EXPERIENCE!
Thank you my brotha! I'm not the guru but I learn from my mistakes
That!..is what this game is ALL about brother
I would love to see NITTI pumping more real deal info into the cycles boards... REAL DEAL is the best info we can get bro!
Thank you big bro! That's why we're here! I just hope they read! From the looks of things, they see the first line "I'm a fan of provi" and say..."Ohh Nitti likes it. I'm in" without reading anymore. Lol
Juice approved. Thumbs up is pointless with no ability to give points.
zewiDisclaimer: This post has been written 100% by myself P. If you feel i have breached copyright infringements I would like to see proof.
Love it +1
Bullshit! Its the same cut and paste from yesterday (that mysteriously disappeared)rewritten to NOT look and sound like a cut and paste. You would have to be a complete moron NOT to see that
Yeah well go find it then and then you can make a argument, as it stands you have no authority here so leave him alone untill you prove other wise.
zewinot saying i don't...He took it down from what you said yesterday.. Hell i would have too--However, i see that you have no other way to respond than to say its cut and paste from what HE POSTED YESTERDAY!!! which he wrote himself...
However, If you would like to post up a reference of were he got it and that it is not his own words than by all means please do.----when you write a paper you are taking what you learned and making your own thoughts---which is what he is doing. Just saying.
Until than i will give a fucking +1 cause its good info.. If you don't like it well I'm sorry.
This is how I see it and im sure hboy sees it this way as well. The op is doing just enough to void plagiarism. Is he breaking any rules? Not at all, none the less ill be watching very closely.
zewivery true you are correct and i understand, that.
rayfetaa.
The article is the same as yesterday's - which was written by myself.
Have you found this article elsewhere??!
rayfetaa.
I'm not saying the info isn't good or even accurate. I just find it insulting that you are passing it off as your own. Your other posts follow the exact format and there is not a single ounce of experience. Only generic information that any kid with a computer could come up with. Just calling it like I see it. I've been at this a long time.
And deleting an entire post because 1 person says something you don't like? Eroids was founded on the principals of free expression
Looks to me that this came from a lot of research. I agree anyone with a pc and time could have wrote it. The way I see it is they took the time to do research and get a group of info for eroids. Karma igives people the drive to contribute to the community. If you read the thread I wrote you will see it is stuff that is said over and over. I did not write it for karma and it wasn't all my thoughts. Matter of fact I seek others advice on how to make it better. The reason I wrote my thread is so I could post a link vs type the same thing over and over. I hope it helps some people see that they need to wait and get their shit together before aas.
Perhaps my other posts follow the exact same format (with similar wording and use of vocabulary) because i wrote them! I learned something, which i believe has value and i passed it on in order to share the knowledge.
To deal with the experience part, the article clearly says at the top that this is a short fact sheet so i'm not sure where you are going with that one.
Yes i agree, any kid could come up with this, but since they haven't, i have!
Finally, to deal with your last point, i got the post taken down, consulted a few people, searched for plagiarism and on the basis that this is my work, was able to re-post it.
I hope this answers all of your questions and would look forward to seeing some evidence regarding plagiarism
Look kid, you can fool some of the ppl all of the time and all of the ppl some of the time but you can't fool Hllwd...
zewigood points..
Got a feeling people are going to stop posting anything---:)
rayfetaa.
FR Sent
rayfetaa.