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Resulting from numerous posts asking about proviron's uses and general questions, i have created a short fact sheet below, which not only encompasses common knowledge, it also identifies the un-common rules associated with proviron.

Proviron roster:

1) What is Proviron?
2) Proviron's uses x4
3) Benefits of proviron use on cycle
4) Proviron and Deca
5) Proviron dosages
6) Conclusion
7) My experiences

Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).

However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen levels under control in the male body (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro)) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.

Bodybuilders use proviron for four main reasons outlined below:

1) As a result of proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. Therefore, due to the increased strength (in comparison to testosterone) in its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes, it prevents estrogen build-up.

2) As previously mentioned, proviron increases the amount of free testosterone in the male human body. This is a very important point to consider, since approximately ~98% of testosterone is bound to the sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus, since it is bound to the SHBG it is not free testosterone any more and therefore cannot be used to build muscle.

3) As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option (proviron has been named as an oral masteron - this topic is debateable). The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, thus decreasing water retention.

4) Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence and helps a males sex-drive upto a certain point. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.

A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.

To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.

I thank all you guys commenting on this proviron topic - and you may be asking yourself, why did i chose to write this...karma? Well...it would be good in encouraging me to continue to write posts and learn more to share my knowledge base, but also to gain opinions.

We have the simple facts (as above), but personal experiences are where it's at.

I came across proviron 2 years ago, where a friend had no clue what to do with it let alone what it was for, so he kindly gave me his proviron free of charge - and, i suppose, as a thank you, i decided to write this post (as above), so that if he were ever in a situation where he once again had proviron, he would know when, how and at what dosages to use it at.

So i proceeded with a little self experiment (not particularly scientifically controlled), i chose to do two AAS cycles, very simple ones, however, one had proviron in, and the other didn't.

The cycles are as followes:

Cycle #1 (Without proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Cycle #2 (With proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 1-12 = Proviron/25mg ED
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

The controlled factors are as followes:

+) Diet was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 - same meal sizes, portions, macro-nutrient breakdowns and mealtimes.
+) Training was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 (however, an overall increase of ~5% resulting from the first cycle was carried forward).
+) Training time was consistent, same with intensity - I had the same job, so this control was relatively easy to adhere towards.
+) BF% monitored constantly throughout both cycles - BF% remained the same, with a +/- 1% when on cycle due to a tiny bit of bloat

Findings

I too, like GS took my asin in the morning with grapefruit juice and peanut butter, and after a week i found myself to be extremely drowsy and de-motivated in comparison to my 'normal' self. So, i did some reading, and found that free estrogen levels peak towards the end of the night, thus, i began takin the asin pre-bed.

Now, my findings as far as the proviron goes - well, libido wise i was flying high on Cycle #1, but with the inclusion of proviron in Cycle #2 made me want to penetrate anything and everything! In my opinion, the dosage i took was conservative, and although it's is hard to quantify, my 'hornyness' rose ~7-10%. Now we conclude...

Conclusion

My gains post PCT with Cycle #1 were 11.5 lbs, and in Cycle #2 were 11lbs.
Now, this has got me thinking. There are many factors which could have played part in here. In my opinion, post Cycles #1 and #2 revealed good gains, but the gains in Cycle #2 dropped slightly - this could be to do with my body being increasingly responsive towards external test sources among many other factors.

Although my conclusion is brief, i do believe proviron is an important factor in ones cycle, simply because the hornyness (feeling of anabolic well-being) was greatly appreciated by myself, through increases in free testosterone, but also in aggression and motivation in the gym

Thanks for reading,
Brutha-P

References: (http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_5495558_proviron-side-effects.html)
Disclaimer: This post has been written 100% by myself P. If you feel i have breached copyright infringements I would like to see proof.

Shaman's picture

Twenty five years ago, proviron was my anti aomatase of choice because letrozol was very expensive and only available in pharmacy. I took a lot of testosterone and I never had big issues with E2 except water retention. My daily dosage was up to 100 mg of mesterolone

Failuretobreathe33's picture

I dontvrun it as a PCT but I have read from numerous different threads that it's great for PCT short term. I run it first 3 or 4 weeks on the start of my cruise.

Dustined83's picture

I run it year round at 25 to 50mg.

Yukon Jack's picture

I have a question for u guys. I'm running 500mg.of sustanon,2 injections a week.
25mg of anadrol 2x a day.
Aromasin 12.5mg every 3 days.
So my question here is, is it safe/beneficial to run 25mg.of proviron 2x daily? All help is appreciated. Thank u guys very much!!

Shaman's picture

Safe yes, beneficial no as aromasin does the job

Vincent Vega619's picture

I think I would stick with 50mg tab of proviron split 2x a day and if you feel estro sides coming on ,get your bloods ran. That is only true way to tell. Everyone receives sides at different levels etc. Etc. So you have to find your sweet spit and only way to do that is get your bloods ran as you tweak your cycle and once you know optimum levels in accordance to dosing you will good to go

Big Tone36's picture

I wouldn't even take the aromasin unless sides estro sides appear. 50mg proviron ed (split 12h as suggested below) might be all you need to keep estro in check with just enough in the blood stream to help in the muscle building process. Anadrol is weird we dont fully understand, it doesn't aromatase into estro , but estro related sides like some report tremendous amount of water gain. I don't ever get this , i actually just appear fuller, more vascular and big strength gains. No crazy water gain. Also, i also stress taking your liver aids (nac, milk thisle, tudca) and no more than 100mg total with all oral compounds combine. 50mg anadrol 50mg proviron is a responsible dose.

Bigun2's picture

Solid advice. I think people “assume” they need to take an AI just because they’re taking exogenous Testosterone, when the reality is many people don’t aromatize at a level that necessitates an AI being used.

Bloodwork is really the only way to determine if one needs an AI or not. It’s not an automatic “well, I’m on Test so I definitely need an AI” thing.

Shaman's picture

The ratio andro / E2 ,is primordial even among naty . You are right blood work is important as it gives accurate informations

Big Tone36's picture

Exactly. AI are good if you are dieting and trying cut water and good if your running tremendous amounts of gear. Everyone is different, i dont suffer from estro sides up to 1000mg, some people will suffer so you have to know your body. But for growing you just want to blunt estrogen and keep it in good range because it will aid in muscle building process. I like proviron for this reason and for lowering SHBG allowing test to be in more free state making that 500mg dose work great. Anadrol also has the capability of lowering SHBG like most DHT derived compounds.

Shaman's picture

All the aas that do not aromatise, can help to lower shbg mostly dht derivatives, your are right

Bigun2's picture

Proviron has a 12 hr half life, so I’d say every 12 hrs would be optimal. I’m not aware of any contradictions between Adrol and Proviron.

May I ask why you choose to take your Aro e3d? That dosing schedule doesn’t mesh well with its half life..

LindsayJackson's picture

Probably and maybe.

Yukon Jack's picture

i need a lil more than that but ty. is it chemically beneficial/unsafe to run proviron with anadrol? ty for ur help

Micktoon's picture

Great Post, everything I needed to know, definitely going to add it into my cycles from now on and see how it goes!!!

JohnnyTest69's picture

Have ran from 50-100 mg per day this stuff really hardens you up sexually and physique wise lol nothing boosted my libido and alpha feeling like some proviron. Ripped out the hair but was a nice run lol the higher end of dosage dried me out a little too much 50 mg ED was sweet spot for me. Brought out the veins as well just not much strength. Great post!

THESTRONGEST's picture

FYEA all day every day ...... add it on any and all runs a requirement IMO esp on test or aromatizers its a lil pricey thou actually

realchico's picture

i started incorporating Proviron in my TRT at just 50 mg per day and my libido increased. I feel great on proviron.

MONK's picture

Still remains one of the most over looked and under rated aas meds out there imo. New users far too quick and tempted by the multitude of candy flavours on the sources shelves, anavar, dbol, tbol etc sack them all off and learn to grow and get the absolute most possible out off the absolute least compounds.

Fantastic write up and a post I’ve referenced many of times over the years.

lxxRICHxxl's picture

Well written. Good read. I am currently on my second cycle and I'm taking Test and Anavar. I'm researching adding Proviron for the well being and sexual boost.

tonymontanaa's picture

Thanks for information, it is useful for people like me who just starting.

gapi2911's picture

Good copy. I still think that Proviron on MY blast is overrated. I can tell from my own experience that I gather over the years using only real pharma grade from the pharmacy here in my country (EU) on a script. Yes I have used Turkish bought in Turkish pharmacy where is A LOT cheaper which is mostly seen on a quality of the packaging but still good. I really feel that it has a litlle effect on cycle and is rather useful in between blasts. I never used large doses, only 25-50mg but for its price, I rather use good pharma HGH all year round. As for effect on my bloods, it has a litlle effect, mostly on my libido but still for this I rather use Cialis. There are a lot better and cheaper meds for SHGB.
Still for beginners that have enough money to spend for a REAL good quality cycle and have covered all the basics and have a good PC.
That is my piece.

Great day all

Pcushion's picture

I am not sure what you expected Proviron to provide other than low SHBG levels, increased sex drive, and a decrease of E2 in some people. It was never designed to do anything other than mimic the effects of testosterone in the body minus testosterones muscle building effects. Proviron gets bound 98% by serum proteins so there is very little left over for anything else. While cruising or on cycle the only benefit it would provide would be lower SHBG levels and increased sex drive, and lower E2 levels in some. It cannot be used during PCT because it’s suppressive. Also your comparison of HGH to Proviron makes NO sense. Your example is like comparing apples to astronauts. Next cialis does nothing for sex drive yet Proviron does.... I have bloodwork posted on Eroids that shows how powerful it’s ability to lower SHBG levels are. Your entire post shows lack of knowledge about Proviron. Your comparisons show either laziness or lack on knowledge as well.

THESTRONGEST's picture

libido and e2 are my reasons it works for me like that

jayisk's picture

first time ever running proviron. Just added during this cycle because ive read it is good for your wood while running deca.
and it does help with that. anything else i would need bloods to determine.

but obv. finishing the job on deca is the only thing i am really concerned about right now. hence proviron is in the mix..lol

Pcushion's picture

It’s good stuff man. It will definitely keep the wood coming with deca or any other steroid. It will send free test levels through the roof too. I am glad your liking. I have always liked it too. Keep an eye on cholesterol levels it trashes those.

jayisk's picture

yeah, due for bloods soon. i'll keep an eye on that.

Pcushion's picture

I actually found a great brand of red yeast rice that has a solid level of monacolin K. Monacolin K is chemically identical to statin drugs like lovastatin. It’s worked great for my cholesterol levels

Bmoney85's picture

I know this is old as shit but could you tell me if they still make this brand I’m looking into som liv support soon!

jayisk's picture

I remember reading yrs ago how while red yeast rice worked. big pharma wasnt happy when the studies started showing up.

Pcushion's picture

No they sure aren’t. It took awhile to find a brand that actually contained the active ingredient. After news hit the seen the key ingredient miraculously disappeared out of some products.

jayisk's picture

interesting. was unaware of that part.

Pcushion's picture

Hell yeah the fda are a mf

Danavar's picture

i wonder if you got less gains on cycle 2 because your e2 was lower than optimal due to proviron binding to aromatase?

november1's picture

Great info man.
Tnx

Cgkone's picture

I run it like a cycle. 150mg is killer. but on cruise 50mg is fine. proviron is a staple to me

LindsayJackson's picture

150 a day?

Izzy75's picture

L.J. that was 3 years ago. He's probably 6ft under with a proviron boner. lol

xsawgnr's picture

How is proviron on liver values. Can it be run for long period?

sventovid's picture

Alternative to Proviron - https://mаxgains.com I received thе order аnd it was оn time and the pills work greаt.

rayfetaa's picture

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backonroids's picture

Lol

hulioalvarez's picture

Use proviron in cycle for your safety. If you allready have side efects you have to get Tamoksifen.

androgen70's picture

This was a great read! With 25mg ED, is that based on a weight ratio, or is it more of a personal preference? The sense of well being has me intrigued, and wanting me to start incorporating the compound.

rayfetaa's picture

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backonroids's picture

Lol

ES1980's picture

Imho proviron is makes my libido sky rocket and gives me a great sense of well being. I like running at 50mg a day.

berry1's picture

I simply can not ejaculate on cycle without proviron.

Maybe im just a typical test abuser but it really started becoming a problem. Proviron sorted it though.

enhanced-anabolics's picture

love proviron here but i personally need doses 75mg ed upwards works wonders for libido ;)

Rustyhooker's picture

Bullcrap! Dont post lies on here to enhance your sales.