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Resulting from numerous posts asking about proviron's uses and general questions, i have created a short fact sheet below, which not only encompasses common knowledge, it also identifies the un-common rules associated with proviron.

Proviron roster:

1) What is Proviron?
2) Proviron's uses x4
3) Benefits of proviron use on cycle
4) Proviron and Deca
5) Proviron dosages
6) Conclusion
7) My experiences

Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).

However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen levels under control in the male body (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro)) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.

Bodybuilders use proviron for four main reasons outlined below:

1) As a result of proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. Therefore, due to the increased strength (in comparison to testosterone) in its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes, it prevents estrogen build-up.

2) As previously mentioned, proviron increases the amount of free testosterone in the male human body. This is a very important point to consider, since approximately ~98% of testosterone is bound to the sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus, since it is bound to the SHBG it is not free testosterone any more and therefore cannot be used to build muscle.

3) As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option (proviron has been named as an oral masteron - this topic is debateable). The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, thus decreasing water retention.

4) Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence and helps a males sex-drive upto a certain point. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.

A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.

To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.

I thank all you guys commenting on this proviron topic - and you may be asking yourself, why did i chose to write this...karma? Well...it would be good in encouraging me to continue to write posts and learn more to share my knowledge base, but also to gain opinions.

We have the simple facts (as above), but personal experiences are where it's at.

I came across proviron 2 years ago, where a friend had no clue what to do with it let alone what it was for, so he kindly gave me his proviron free of charge - and, i suppose, as a thank you, i decided to write this post (as above), so that if he were ever in a situation where he once again had proviron, he would know when, how and at what dosages to use it at.

So i proceeded with a little self experiment (not particularly scientifically controlled), i chose to do two AAS cycles, very simple ones, however, one had proviron in, and the other didn't.

The cycles are as followes:

Cycle #1 (Without proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Cycle #2 (With proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 1-12 = Proviron/25mg ED
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

The controlled factors are as followes:

+) Diet was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 - same meal sizes, portions, macro-nutrient breakdowns and mealtimes.
+) Training was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 (however, an overall increase of ~5% resulting from the first cycle was carried forward).
+) Training time was consistent, same with intensity - I had the same job, so this control was relatively easy to adhere towards.
+) BF% monitored constantly throughout both cycles - BF% remained the same, with a +/- 1% when on cycle due to a tiny bit of bloat

Findings

I too, like GS took my asin in the morning with grapefruit juice and peanut butter, and after a week i found myself to be extremely drowsy and de-motivated in comparison to my 'normal' self. So, i did some reading, and found that free estrogen levels peak towards the end of the night, thus, i began takin the asin pre-bed.

Now, my findings as far as the proviron goes - well, libido wise i was flying high on Cycle #1, but with the inclusion of proviron in Cycle #2 made me want to penetrate anything and everything! In my opinion, the dosage i took was conservative, and although it's is hard to quantify, my 'hornyness' rose ~7-10%. Now we conclude...

Conclusion

My gains post PCT with Cycle #1 were 11.5 lbs, and in Cycle #2 were 11lbs.
Now, this has got me thinking. There are many factors which could have played part in here. In my opinion, post Cycles #1 and #2 revealed good gains, but the gains in Cycle #2 dropped slightly - this could be to do with my body being increasingly responsive towards external test sources among many other factors.

Although my conclusion is brief, i do believe proviron is an important factor in ones cycle, simply because the hornyness (feeling of anabolic well-being) was greatly appreciated by myself, through increases in free testosterone, but also in aggression and motivation in the gym

Thanks for reading,
Brutha-P

References: (http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_5495558_proviron-side-effects.html)
Disclaimer: This post has been written 100% by myself P. If you feel i have breached copyright infringements I would like to see proof.

juro22's picture

Very good post!
I'm going to use Proviron just for lowering my always high SHBG (70-80 nmol/l). My total testosetrone is also high (700-900 ng/dl and free T 10-20).
I never run any cycle before and just want to try Proviron. Coud anybody tell me if I should add some Arimidex and/or Clomid and how to do it?

Huiz41's picture

Don't do that. Proviron is suppressive to your HPTA and is meant to be used on cycle. Not in PCT and not off-cycle. You could simply run a bit of Clomid and Aromasin if you want a bit more total test off cycle. However, with your high levels of total test naturally, it may be best left alone.

Danavar's picture

Dr. Todd Lee stated in some of his videos that in studies Provi has shown to increase LH and FSH levels which is weird because it is an androgen.

yeegits's picture

i did 50 mg , yes it was schering pharm grade and i felt no difference if i wasnt taking it , all this hype about increased libido? didnt do jack for me

cybrsage's picture

I have been running it at 100mg a day, split into two 50mg doses. I am now at the point where every slim woman from 18 to 60 looks mighty tasty...

However, my Blood Pressure has skyrocketed from it, so I have to drop the dose.

NoPnNoGn's picture

Yea well, as with everything else everyone reacts differently with different type of gear. Some require only 25mg others maybe 50 or 60, I found that 75mg total split am/pm worked for me, I would say give Masteron a try.

yeegits's picture

funny u say that i actually have 4 vials of
masteron enanthate im using for the first time ever starting june , any recommendations on dosage? stacking it with sust and tbol

trainforgain's picture

I like at least 500mg a week but usually run 600 of mast e a week. If it gives you prostate issues cut back down to 400 or the dose it doesn't. Sometimes dht can make you pee a lot or have issues urinating.

zjuices's picture

run it higher then 25mg mate

Sauce250's picture

25mg ed isn't enough to notice anything. try 60-80mg ed you'll love it even more

wonsch's picture

I'm going to try that next cycle, nice low dose.

ashop's picture

I like it really well with most all my cycles. Boosts libido,,distinct hardness,works as a mile anti E and free's up bound testosterone.

NoPnNoGn's picture

Hey man some really good info thanks, I am considering adding Proviron to my 2nd cycle to take advantage of the extra free test as well as the benefit of increase in libido. My 2nd cycle will consist of 12 weeks of Test E 300 pinned 2/wks , test p kick/taper, with 25mg Proviron ED, AI of Aromasin 6.5mg ED at end of week 3. While doing my own research for my 2nd cycle I came across some info that suggested reducing your dosage of Nolva from the standard of 40/40/20/20 to 20/20/10/10 when using Aromasin during the beginning of your PCT. I noticed in the cycle you laid out that you kept your dosage recommendation for Nolva the same as the standard instead of reducing it? I was just wondering was this an oversight or do you not prescribe to that idea? Thanks

strongman6969's picture

If you have access to mast, you might as well use that instead of proviron. 100x better than proviron for freeing up test.

NoPnNoGn's picture

Hmm, ok I am gonna look into that, (research it) thanks....

Peacockin's picture

awesome info! Thanks

GregJ194's picture

Great info, i'll try it as soon as i can! Hope i'll see some results)

Redjersey's picture

I will definitely try proviron on my next cycle...

playstation2014's picture

Great post!

shaun1's picture

Ok so I've been running provi now for two weeks. At f iest I never gave it mch thought but when I was able to take part in a promo I figured what the hell I dont have anything to lose.
Ive been taking 26mgs a day. Received 50mgs but I wanted to stretch them out. Since day 3 I have had more energy higher sex drive and hard ons non stop. I will go as far to say that when I cum the sensation is 10x better. Every woman I see gets me turned on now. Im a firm beliver now in provi and I want cycle with out it. So anyone thats on the fence about provi take it from me its worth the extra dime go ahead and drop it you want be sorry.

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shaun1's picture

Im really glade I read this post. I received some provi today from a prome 50mg BP's. I'm going to start out at 25mg's a day for now to stretch them out to end of cycle. Im looking forward to the increase in well being. I've seemed to have more anxiety/nervousness since starting my cycle than ever before. I tend to have anxiety a bit while off cycle but never this bad so I hope the provi helps out. As. For libido I hope the provi helps here the most. I thought with running good test my libido would really soar but it didnt. So we'll see how things go. Ill report back in a week to to ket everyone know how the provi helps out. This post about provi has been very informative with great insight.

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Gsxr1000spanker's picture

Anybody else find the crazy sex drive off proviron a little annoying after a while? It's getting sore:-/ lol

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Huiz41's picture

Provi suppresses HPTA axis. You don't run it PCT and rarely alone above 25mg for sustained periods of time for that matter. Yikes, is anyone researching before doing this?

WINNING's picture

Good fucking read! Bump! I need this on my life!High sex drive and overall well being, I'm sold!

builtup's picture

Proviron is legit brothers, I run 75mg ed i hit 25 in the am and 50 30 min before my workout. helps with vascularity and makes me a very happy person. I notice it helps my cycle "pop" so to speak and it increases my pumps. with its binding properties it is a mild AI and works great on a cruising cycle. it also seems to add 500-750 ng/ml to my test levels based on blood with and without on the same dose of test and eq. once you eat proviron you will make sure to have extra in you kits

JJay's picture

So, I've recently started taking Proviron at 50mg daily (25mg morning, 25mg before bed). Going on the fourth day now, but from the first night after having taken it I've been having fairly erratic sleeping patterns; I feel like I'm tossing and turning all night, and about half way through my sleep I wake up and can't get back to sleep for about an hour- hour and a half. Has anyone else had a similar experiences to this and/or is this a common side effect of Proviron?

I've read that the increase in androgens can be responsible for irregular sleep patterns, so I'm assuming this is why. Just wanted to get others' opinions who have dealt with Proviron first hand.

JJay's picture

Couldn't agree more. If I'm not getting AT LEAST 8 hours of sleep I get upset haha. Thankfully, my body got used to it and I'm sleeping regularly again. The only thing that wakes me up now is if I drink too much water close to bed due to the Proviron weakening my bladder. Appreciate the input Rich!

PIN_CUSHION's picture

At 21 you don't need to be using AAS.

JJay's picture

If the website has rules against discussing compounds with members under the age of 25, I completely understand, and apologize in advance for even posting. However, if it's only on cycle advice, I'd appreciate any input in relation to the question being asked, as I'm genuinely interested in learning any and all effects a compound is capable of. No offense, I do appreciate the concern, but I'm not looking for the father-figure discussions.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

No daddy talk here, and yes you are correct, as a community we do not discuss AAS with individuals under 25. However, feel free to use the resources within the site for expanding your knowledge.

JJay's picture

Okay. Misunderstood and thought the 25 rule was for cycle advice only. Thank you for the clarification!

noob143's picture

I was told to combine proviron and Clomid together for my pct following 250mg/wk of sust 270. Is this wrong?

builtup's picture

I wouldnt run any AAS during your pct, you can run a short ester up to the week before your PCT but running it during in making your pct non effective IMO, if your going to run a compound after your cycle I would do test e or c at 150-300 mg and cruise, depending on your level of experience with AAS but if your new, and I gather you are from your post, I would run proviron clomid and nolva 3 weeks after your last pin without any AAS compound. then relax for atleast 8 weeks before starting another cycle. good luck

BrolicBruce's picture

I just finished a tren e, test p, mast e all at 400mg/wk cycle and I started proviron 50mg/ed 5 days prior to stopping cycle and im 2 weeks in with just test p 400mg a week. The hardness is crazy, people notice how hard I am when they place a hand on me. It also has great sexual benefits as well. I would def recommend Proviron for hardness.

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whitechocolate's picture

I even use it on trt I love it. .

ericnonaya's picture

is proviron liver toxic like every other oral?

PIN_CUSHION's picture

No

NoX's picture

I can't wait to try provi. Definitely going into my next cycle!

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norcuron's picture

Good post.

drumdojo's picture

I added proviron to my test c, EQ cycle week 6. It greatly diminished my need for an AI. It's an amazing compound. For those of you on the fence, I definitely recommend giving it a shot.

andresfrank's picture

that was very nice post. Proviron is one of the best PED available and used by bodybuilders mostly

birdbear27's picture

Man I wish this guy didn't fug up and get himself banned I'd like to see more new posts like this from him.

FITPRO's picture

Nice information

empty1's picture

Good read bro thanks..

Edit. Oops didnt notice that ban.

Mikevc550's picture

Pretty interesting! Thinking about adding provi to my next test E cycle.

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