first cycle tell me what u think...
i have 2 cycles i need some input on. just keep in mind this would be my first time doing a cycle. and im not a very rich person so what ever i buy i will have to save up cash for it.
ok now i do have low test wich i get a shot of 200 mg/m of testosterone cyp every month. dont know if that matters much here or not???
now for my first cycle im not looking to get cut and be takeing 10 things all hours of the day. im looking to add good rock hard mass in a slow way that i can really keep most of what i gain on the cycle. and not lose most of it when the cycle is done. also one big thing for me is keeping it simple. easy to do.
short 8 week Dianabol only Cycle.
I like this because it is only eight weeks in duration, I dont know if just running a short oral 8 week cycle like this will really do much for me. is there any use need to go on a 12 or 16 week cycle with orals only .????? what dose any one think ???
would most of the gains be alot of water???
Dosage listed is per day
running a Liver protectant such as Milk Thistle.
Week Dianabol (5mg) Nolvadex (20mg)
1 Dianabol 3 Nolvadex (20mg) 1
2 Dianabol 5 Nolvadex (20mg) 1
3 Dianabol 8 Nolvadex (20mg) 1
4 Dianabol 10 Nolvadex (20mg) 1
5 Dianabol 10 Nolvadex (20mg) 1
6 Dianabol 8 Nolvadex (20mg) 1
7 Dianabol 5 Nolvadex (20mg) 1
8 Dianabol 3 Nolvadex (20mg) 1
Dianabol (5mg) = 364 tabs
Nolavadex (20mg) = 60 capsules
OK tell me what you thoughts are on that. good or bad ill never know u less you ask. what the old man use to say.
ok here is the number 2 i was thinking about. check it out see what you all think???
Test E (Testosterone Enanthate) Cycle
This stack features Testosterone Enanthate, great for mass and strength. from what i have read. Dosage listed is per week and it is popular to split that into two (i.e. Monday and Thursday).dose that sound right??
Week Testosterone E Clomid (50mg)
1 500mg
2 500mg
3 500mg
4 500mg
5 500mg
6 500mg
7 500mg
8 500mg
9 500mg
10 500mg
11 - 100mg (everyday) Clomid (50mg)
12 - 50 (everyday) Clomid (50mg)
13 - 50 (everyday) Clomid (50mg)
Testosterone Enanthate - 1ml (250mg/ml x 20 amps
Clomid x 30 tabs
ok this is just some ideals for now. but im trying......if you going to take the time and read this. i will try to use what you tell me and im hear to learn not to waste your time. but thanks every one..cant wait to see were this go's.
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ok also guys when i get thing's right with my body weight and ect. i need to find a place to get my stuff from. can you tell me who you have had good dealings with and didnt get ripped off that is a major worry i do have.
Ive Run Anavar Only will read thanks
ok guys think for all the info. ok ill junk the first one Dianabo. ok that never happen gone. or maybe both and start over...
my stats are
6'3
260 lbs
body fat i got a 16
bmi 33
A BMI of 20-25 is considered good; a higher or lower BMI may increase health risks. what i was told so...so yes im fat lol...
yes im up for lose some fat every one. i have really been looking for a really go diet to go by or use. ill take some help here.
ok im doing a 3,000 cal a day diet.
about 275 grams in protein in a day. trying to hit the 1 gram per body pound.
lifting about 5 days a week for the past year. have had to take of for about one month tho.
lifted about6 months before then. was really big into weights in high school.long time ago lol.
about 225 on bench as of last week 3 set x 10 reps.
squats 373 x 4 8r
oh yeah quit smoke'n about a month ago...feels grate.
i would love to get my diet fixed guys im up to some help.any one have a diet guide ??? ect. or know how to speed up the fat loss really quick.
zewiDiet will be key Read Vikings post.. Viking is awesome at Diet.. And the Nutrition section.
Diet is the most important thing there is no magic pills---this is were you change your life and get the goals you want its all diet...
Well you started your new life already by quitting smoking. That's a +
However you BMI is high that's -
And your BF is high that's -
However, we got something to work with if your willing to do the research and understanding a good diet and how diet is the magic pill.
Ok now on to a cycle and what Uncle Zewi thinks
IMO your not ready for a cycle not yet but close
so I'm still given you a cycle but this cycle doesn't start for 90 days.
If your committed and what the best results here is the cycle..
Day 1-90 Diet Diet Diet--Hit the GYM hard When your not working out--your reading the forums getting as much knowledge about workouts gear, and things to eat.
After 90 Days--and your Diet has been clean and you BF and BMI are lower which they should be. Your cycle should be..
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
Arimidex .25mg E3d nipples get sore .25 ED or .5 eod adjust as needed.
PCT start 15 days after last shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
nova 40/40/20/20
AGAIN DIET DIET DIET AND COMMITMENT IS THE ONLY WAY THIS IS GOING TO WORK!!!
Great post! This is the one thing that always keeps me from maximizing my cycles. It's not that my diet isn't clean, I just don't eat nearly enough for my size. I'm naturally a bigger guy (6'3" 240lbs) but I really could be a beast if I ate properly. This is THE hardest thing for some many people. I need to read this post daily zewi!
cdaddy7I love the wisdom that flows from you Zewi with your posts bro. AWESOME. Get some love +1
Shit hot info from my brother zewi... this is the principle of creating a good base from which to build from... if none of us prepare this way we will all look like shit and complain the juice dont work... always prepare the body before we bombard it with supercharged nutrition and aas compounds... not just to cut back on injurys through increased strength but a well prepped body will show little to zero sides whilst running a cycle.
We all dont want to blow up like water rings some of us prefer hard lean quality that lasts... this type of pre/prep will give those results... +3 uncle zewi:)
viking i could use you help with fixing on my diet. drop me a line if u can
zewiThanks Father time.. Lol. the man the myth the legend Viking.. always means a lot when you give me points.
You deserve them bro... now word thread you said right!
zewiyep..lmao
I think you need to lose some fat by learning how to eat. Your 1st step should be posting up your diet and let everyone fix that. You have to eat right on cycle or you waste the cycle. Your diet and working out should be constant for a long time. After you get your diet and work out plan in check and lose a bunch of fat then you might think about AAS.
tread-mWe always ask that you educate yourself around the site, learn your compounds and protocols to the best of your ability and the do's and don't , pct , your AI's, diets , water consumption, so much to learn before you just begin putting together cycles. Had you done this you would know what we think about dbol only and you would certainly know test is the base and the only compound for a first cycle. We have 100,000 first cycle protocols here brother. I think you get down to taking care of business and have the patience to do some serious reading all through the site. Once you have you will likley know the first cycle direction inside and out and have very few questions. Even so , we love cycle talk and will be happy to help trust me, you'll find that out as you research these first cycles. I don't want to seem harsh here either but you literally have nothing
Right here. Both cycle suggestions are wrong, start time for pct, pct itself in combination and duration. Just go down through here and read 10 first cycle threads and trust me, when you edit this is will look right. Research around as to why we don't use oral only runs or any injectible compounds withtout a test base. There is actual science and user experience in all these things, much more going on and some patient reading will have you figuring that out rather quickly. Focus on diet as being 90% of your thoughts. It is the beginning , the middle and the end, the yr round work that achieves and maintains goals.
Who on earth downvoted the guru here,maybe its a mistake i hope it is and will be made right.
tread-mI knew you were taking care of me , have a little tear in my eye but that may just be happy to see that avi..lol
I was going to click it earlier but scared it might be wrong i will do it now:)
Just put a pic up to make me feel better but i have an idea you have already seen the original?
tread-mDoes V know you treat me so well? Oh nevermind, he encouraged it I forgot ....I just luv him!
Tell him nothing its our little secret
tread-mYou had me at "tell"...lol
WTFs been going on today... this is why she was all smily niceness when i got home i thought she would be kicking the shit outa me for telling her age lmfao!
zewiand you haven't even read the perpetual word thread.. lol....
Not yet bro will check that out in a moment... this sounds ominous nobody been giving her grief i hope?
zewio no its been all about you...
lol
zewizewiit was me.. Dam phone...My bad.. fixed..
Honesty goes a long way.....
write that down younglings.
Boom!
zewii love you...:)
tread-mLol...its mutual brother! No homo
cdaddy7Ok my man put the dbol up for now bc your not ready to stack just yet. My suggestion to help you get more bang for your buck with the test to make it last and optimize it I would start the test e at 400mg/week to make it stretch across the 12wk mark like zewi said for best results and u being a novice user can prob yield some nice gains from just that if its first time for sure. Virgin receptors!!! Love it. I would suggest u save the nolva and clomid for the pct and I know ur strapped but AI on hand if you can afford it bc that is a safety guard and will help better the results. Like I said if..I know ur on a budget and u can use the nolva if u get in the red line with sides, but it is really essential for pct. And with the thought of such a low dose of test u may not run into too much, but my experience is that you never know just how your body will react until u get a real plasma level and with long esters that pretty much means your stuck with it for two weeks if the sides are major negs. U follow me? These guys below gave great advice and thats my two cents pitch. I hoped I helped u and good luck with the cycle if you choose to go forward with it bro
zewiyes sir.. Like Caddy said. Don't start a cycle until you have everything. Its OK to buy your AI one week Your PCT the next and then Your Gear. But have it all before you start. Reminder gear usually has a 2year or longer shelf life store it in a cool shaded closet.
Also if that is you in the Pic.. Diet is key man, while you are saving money to get everything. Work on your Diet and hit the gym hard. so when you have everything you body has lower BF and is in great shape to start your cycle.
I see we have your age etc... i would like an accurate BF% please before i proceed further and a brief breakdown of diet and training routine to make sure we get the best from any cycle offered up.
That d/bol cycle up above has to go in the bin right now!
Like Tiger said, stats please mate. There's a stack of good reading for someone in your situation on here, the link in Tiger's post will help you no end.
No oral only cycles, especially not that long. whatever you end up doing, get the 8 week DBol cycle out of your head straight away. You also need to read up about the difference between AI & PCT gear (Adex / Clomid / Nolva etc - they do different jobs).
zewiAge: 32
Height: 6'3
Weight: 260
BF: unsure??
Is that correct??
Also no Dbol without test.And 8 weeks is to long and if your BF is high sides will come.
Also first cycles should be test only..
Alwasy run TEST E or C for 12 weeks for best results.
The Higher your BF the chance for more sides.
Also Nova and Clomid are serms and used during PCT you need an AI like Arimidex etc during cycle.
AnonPlease dont do any longer than 6 weeks of oral bro. You could do yourself some permanent liver damage. Like tiger said you have a lot of research to do, you need to learn what each compound dose and what way to put it in a cycle. This is for your health bro noone elses. Also if your below 25 and havnt been training and dieting properly for more than two years, then there is so much you can still achieve without aas. Do some reading buddy.
first throw up your stats
Before anyone was to give you advice we need your stats brother. Also, everyone on here will tell you, no oral only cycles, it will mess you up. Also, nolvadex isn't an AI so it shouldn't really be taken during cycle man. Stats please, and you should research a bit more on here brother. Have a read here mate http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/ive-run-anavar-only