posted Sun, 12/04/2011 - 14:11
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sugestions on using somthing other then D-bol . To kick start a cycle with .
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I've done some research about D-bol and some of the ill effects it can have on your liver . Can Anyone! recomend anything else to kick start my cycle with. That's not as harsh . I'am taking 500 mg. of test a week . I also have some prop to use . But I was going to use that to taper down at the end of the cycle . Can I also use it in the begining too ? If I've never used it before . What would be a safe dose to start off with ? Thanks ! For the help .
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AnonI don't mess with sloppy dbol gains.. maybe thats why I'm under 5% BF.. I would say prop or a short ester of the such. Something about prop, I love.
If you wanna go oral, I would say go with T-Bol. but educate yourself on the side effects and get the proper support.
On a sidenote, I hope your girl got here shit figured out from a few weeks back!
If your only reason for not wanting to take dbol is the liver toxicity issue, then I would just take dbol because all the other oral steroids are liver toxic as well. Dbol is awesome. In addition to being an effective mass and strength builder, it is also a dopamine agonist, so it actually makes you feel awesome.
Dbol at a low dose is pretty safe, if your going to use prop I'd do 100 eod for first four weeks. Or you can just frontload your long ester test
tread-mI dont think anyone answered your prop question. Not knowing your cycle experience you can frontload the prop many different ways depending on goal. As little as 50-100 mg eod will get the cycle rolling while you wait on the long to release. You could run that as long as 3 weeks no problem. Could even run 100 ed for 1st week and 50 ed second week then 50 eod 3rd week etc. Just depends on goal. Same with your dbol vs tbol, depends on goal. Tbol a much better choice IMO because I dont like trash on my gains, prefer quality and diet dialed in you are much more likely to pull quality on t vs D. Prop is the way to go if you have some pin experience. The only reason I say experience is you are much more likely to have high level pip with prop at 100mg on muscles with little pin and gear experience. Once the experience is there some will have no pip at all while a newb can have very serious pip and in some cases (friend of mine) , very serious swelling. Not common but if you were to google prop swelling I would guess you could find many stories. As a general guidline for someone new to prop I would say heat the gear (hairdryer or warm water bath) and dont pin too much to start. Run the gear in VERY slow and massage the pop sight very well to distribute the oil. If you see you will or do have problems apply heat for a while following pop and massage and the oil will distibute even quicker. As to your question about liver issues on orals. Most orals have varying effect on the liver. Most will have no enzyme change to the liver for 4 weeks , such as dbol, which is why most will run it 4 weeks and drop it out. The 30 mg you mention is a very safe dose for 4 weeks. Var on the other hand can be ran much much longer at 40 or 50 mg's with no liver enzyme change at all. It is when you jump to 80 or higher that you will only want a 4 week run because on about week 5 slow change in enzymes will begin to occur. Again, this is all based on you having cycle experience. If its 1st cycle its test only and then add one compound per cycle so you can not only know which compounds you respond well too but you can know what each compound does for you specifically. This information is very usefull as you sculpt your body over time and work to have balance in muscles and recomp the body. If you add too many compounds at once you never know what does what and building with precision will be near impossible for you until you back up and learn the particulars of each compound. Eating is the real work in building though so if you dont dial in the diet to the specific goal you have lost before you even begin.
All those orals liver toxic to one degree or another, use Liv52
Other than that, prop
ItsNoelN2Guard
Brother when you say "harsh" what exactly do you mean? Im asking cause ive read lots of stuff about D-bol and liver thats very badly overrated. If your talking about BP there is something to take to counteract that as well. (dont ask me the name cause I dont know but im sure someone here does)
I guess ! Harsh as in. Can cause long term liver damaged . How much would you have to do ? And for how long . I know this is a dumb question . Sorry ! Newbie . But could you get liver damage from say 30mg for a month .
No bro you would be fine at that dose! 6 weeks is the general rule of thumb for time on for orals due to the issues with the liver, but the truth is you could probably due it for quite alot longer before you suffer irreversable liver damage, of course the exact time is unknown and would depend on the person and everything else(such as dosage, water intake, liv52, Etc), so dont be scared off by the hype.
Frankiedbol is no different from anavar/tbol ect as all orals are c-17 alpha-alkylated ,this is what makes them toxic and harsh on the liver and it is over hyped for sure ,once the c-17 alpha-alkylated is detryed by the liver the then taken compound depending on what it is will have other sides like high bp/gyno/raise in cholestrol but at the end of the day they are all c-17 alpha-alkylated and this is what effects the liver
Good info brother!
dansta123prop
I'd go with Tbol
Use the prop
AGREED!
Thanks ! for the help
ItsNoelmethadrol extreme
bulk or cut cycle?
Bulk cycle .
Turanibol (tbol) look it up bro, less sides/water weight and less harsh on liver.
Nasty81NateT Bol
Who has a good domestic source out there ? HG .