Anadrol to kickstart cycle, Anavar to finish?
After considering a lot of feedback, I think I'm convinced to continue foregoing tren... at least for now.
One substance I had never previously considered that was suggested in lieu of the tren was Anadrol. Reading up on it, it seems to offer what I want to achieve (big strength and size increases), but I see a lot of users recommending "pulsing" and fairly limited durations.
So, I've been thinking about how to use it and I'm hoping to get some advice on the idea to kick start a cycle with anadrol to add some size and strength, then finish with anavar to lean out and maintain the anadrol gains.
Injectables: 12 week cycle (test/primo)
Orals: Anadrol Weeks 1-2, Week 3 off, Anadrol Weeks 4-5, Week 6 off, Anavar Weeks 7-12
When I've been prescribed Anavar, it was for 60 days duration. The above has me on orals for 70 days total across 12 weeks, but with 2 weeks off in the interim.
Thoughts? I dug around on the forum and I haven't seen anybody running those two drugs in the same cycle... maybe for a reason (or many reasons).
Thanks!
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Anadrol has been great for me but at a certain point it starts to raise your blood pressure and kill your appetite.
Going back about 3 or 4 years now, I hit the ADrol big time over the course of a year to try and beat a PR and I tried all different ways and approaches. If you are after strength and records, then don't pulse it. It works the same as any other steroid does - in that it only does anything when you are actually taking it!!! If you take it for 2 or 3 weeks, then have a week or 2 off then guess what? You lose the strength you built and have to go over lost ground yet again building things back up which is tedious as hell. I found the best benefits were taking 100mg per day of it, 3 tabs and BP becomes unbearable and 1 tab is weaker than using 50mg of DBol. Like Yoked says, take the DBol if you want to feel good, because I find when you take ADrol you have to persuade yourself to take it and remind yourself of what you are losing if you don't. It doesn't feel good and doesn't give anything like the size gains of Dianabol either - with ADrol its more pure muscle you gain and not really water/glycogen like with the DBol. With both of them the strength doesn't stick with you, so enjoy it while you are on it.
Is it pretty much consensus that Anadrol gains are temporary and limited to the time you're on it? If yes, I think you're helping me rule it out.
Maybe I just got really lucky running test/deca/primo/var, but I wouldn't say I've lost much strength after each blast when I return to cruising. My recovery ability suffers (i.e. can't train as hard as often), so I don't gain much on cruise... but I generally keep what I gained.
Is there a better choice that will give me more sizable gains with some permanence?
Unfortunately mate - yes they are pretty temporary. Anavar they do stick around longer, I don't seem to tolerate it well so can only go off what others say who run it. When cruising you won't gain anything at all - you will be giving it your all trying to keep as much as you can from a cycle. When coming off a cycle to cruise level Test, everything plummets that gave you gains: Protein synthesis level, IGF-1 level, cortisol suppression etc
anvilAll orals are, maybe some anavar you can keep but the rest you are just renting the gainz. So if you are looking for sports enhancement, SLU PP 332, Methylene blue , Cardarine, Low does test. I can link you a video all about that stuff if you like.
I wouldnt double dip orals. Youre looking like bulk cut which imo a waste of time.. pick 1. Spring and if abs clear....lower test, dhb and eq. 350t...400dbh...400eq
You're not wrong, haha... I'm basically trying to do a clean bulk. I don't have a ton of bodyfat to cut, although I did get super low percentage-wise on my first cycle of anavar (around 5%). I was dieting extremely hard for 15 weeks encompassing that cycle, however, so that's not typical.
Thanks for turning me on to DHB; I'll have to do some research on that one now.
What's your cycle history/stats? Anadrol is a beast, it'll throw some weight on you but you don't generally see many people running it along side primo. I'd probably also run that primo longer. It really takes a while to shine, it's more subtle than tren but I've personally gotten stronger on primo than tren and I feel better too. It's also such a high end compound that you don't really want to dirty it up with something like Anadrol, imo. Primo makes you feel great, Anadrol can make you feel like shit. If I was going to front with anything while running primo and I wanted mass, I'd probably go with dbol, just because it also makes you feel like a champ.
I guess it really comes down to where you are now and what you want to achieve from this cycle.
This will be my 7th blast (drop down to "TRT dose" in between). Started with test/deca/anavar and basically have increased doses and added primo since then. My most recent cycle was 720 test / 720 primo / 360 deca weekly & 50mg anavar per day.
I'm 6'3", 230 lbs., ~10% bodyfat, and have been training for >25 years. Didn't start TRT until 2019 and didn't start cycling until 2021, since when I've typically done 2 per year at 12 weeks each.
I'm really just looking to add a bunch of lean mass. I'm an athlete and not a powerlifter or bodybuilder, but I like being big and strong both for sports performance in addition to just liking the aesthetics of large, lean, and muscular.
I've heard conflicting reports about anadrol vs. dbol with people debating which one gives more size/strength and which one has worse sides. For those two, it really seems like it comes down to the person... but for the record, I've tolerated anabolics very well thus far... really no side effects other than sensitive nipples, which were easily addressed with AI.
based on that, I don't think anadrol would be the right fit for you, you sound like more of a tbol guy.
as others said, DHB is also great, I wouldn't run it along side primo either, it will outshine the primo.
For lean mass, primo or DHB are great choices for your main compound. For an oral, tbol in the front and var in the back is possible, I'd put an equal gap between the runs. if you're running DHB, i'd just forego the front oral altogether and run a 10wk. For primo, I'd consider running it for 16 weeks, front with tbol, break and finish with anavar 6/6/6, running the var past your primo back in to TRT, that would give you that heroic physique
For my education, why would you forego the front oral for DHB but not for primo?
I like the sound of heroic physique haha
Honestly the food with dictate the addition of a bunch of lean mass or not. I’ve never had good luck running either adrol or dbol and continue playing sports. Not sure what sports you play, but mine is basketball now (was baseball and football competitively in my younger years and then competitive Olympic weightlifting). The pumps I’d get from orals absolutely fucked up my ability to play. That being said, my cycle with the most noticeable performance increases was Test/DHB/Tbol. Was my strongest/fastest/most explosive then. But even the Tbol would sometimes make my tibs or lower back pump up so fast I’d have to stop playing until it calmed down.
We’re roughly the same stats except I’m a couple inches shorter than you. About the same length of training history and gear history as well.
We're like long lost twins... I played football in college and then got into weightlifting; I've since developed a passion for basketball (which is what I play now).
You're the second person to mention DHB; are you talking 1-Testosterone? I'm surprised to see people running that alongside test; I guess I need to do more research on that one now. I'd be interested in your dosages/durations if you're willing to share; it sounds like we have very similar backgrounds, goals, and physiques.
Yea don’t let the name “1-testosterone” fool you. DHB is the 5-alpha reduced version of boldenone. So what DHT is to Test, DHB is to Equipoise.
Great neural drive increase (so strength increase), dry, and vascularity increase.
I typically run my cycles at 16-20 weeks. Though my DHB cycle (at 425mg) I cut short because I was having blood pressure issues. I was in the 140/85 range and I’m usually like 100/70. Granted I wasn’t running any BP meds. Not even cialis. Just doing my usual fuck ton of cardio. I now have BP meds on hand to keep it in check when needed. Haven’t ran DHB since then though due to focusing on bulking like a body builder. My next cut I’ll run DHB and focus on building my athleticism back at a heavier body weight. Sadly got bit by the injury bug and have torn my ACL and ripped a hammy tendon off the bone over the last 3 years….all playing basketball. Spent all those years playing baseball and football with no injuries and its recreational basketball in my 30s that does me in lol