+ 1 Test/Tren/Primo cycle
After asking some questions and seeking to educate myself on the wealth of information on this site, I'd like some feedback on a potential blast I may run in a few months.
-Key info-
Age: 43
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 230 lbs.
Bodyfat: ~10%
Training history: >25 years near daily
Cycle history: On "TRT" dose of test for past 6 years, run 6 prior blasts beginning with test and adding deca, anavar, and primo over subsequent blasts. I've tolerated anabolics very well to date; never having any side effects outside of sensitive nipples, which I was able to address by making some changes to my AI (I do better with exemestane than anastrozole). I've always run P5P, TUDCA, and NAC on cycle to offset any prolactin issues and provide liver support.
Goals: I don't like adding a ton of bodyfat if not necessary, but I've stagnated in my lifts and size, so I'm looking for a change to break through. I do play sports so my preference is to remain athletic and I've heard about the cardio-killing effects of tren, but I'm not sure how much it applies at the dosages I'm proposing or if it affects quick burst sports like basketball and football as much as it does steady state cardio.
Summary: Considering tren in lieu of deca for the next cycle, but want to be very cautious. Most recent cycle was 720 test / 360 deca / 720 primo + 50 anavar daily.
From my research, the consensus seems to be to run a "TRT dose" of test or lower with tren ideally higher. To be cautious, I'd like to start with a low dose of tren and iterate test down as I assess side effects. What I had in mind is as follows:
TestC 200: 70mg EOD (245mg weekly)
TrenA 100: 20mg EOD (70 mg weekly)
PrimoE 200: 200mg EOD (750 weekly)
I'd be looking to iterate test dosage down and - potentially - iterate tren dosage slightly up if I didn't experience significant sides.
I typically take aromasin - even on cruise - as I felt estrogenic sides early in my TRT "career" at low dosages. For this cycle with tren outprioritizing test, I have some concern about aromatization, but I'm hoping the primo does enough that I don't need an AI. If not, I'll have it on hand. I'm also debating whether I could/should add anavar to the tail end of this cycle if I'm tolerating it well.
Anyway, I really appreciate any/all feedback. Always trying to learn and educate myself and ensure I'm making the right adjustments. Thanks!
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At 43 I’d run this minus the tren and var. +40 I’ve decided not to mess with my health too much. Also those two are not great for cardio. Maybe up test to 350 or e2 might crash around week 9. Or run 300 test and 600 primo. But everyone react differently. Run for 16-20 weeks
It depends on how much you want to risk.
My first tren cycle I started 100 mg and was always thirsty. Dropped to 60 mg per week and still got really good strength gains. Also had veins popping I never saw before and still have them 2 years later.
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Tren primo imo a waste of time. Tren will out power primo 10fold. Pick 1 and set your goal
I love this combo test, tren, primo. That was the combo Dorian used for his contests. The tren might be too low for some one with 25 years experience and did 700+ of primo. I would do 300 minimum test, 150 tren, 500-600 primo. So very close to what Dorian used to do. Now tren ace being so fast it doesn't hurt doing 70 then upping if not enough.
Never used primo but wouldn’t running 2x the amount of primo to test completely tank your E2?
Tanked mine at 1X1
How do u know Dorian used this combo all i know is he's the first one that started abusing hgh and slin
He said it in many interviews plus it was also published in Muscular Development back in 2011. 300mg test prop, 152mg parabolan, 500mg primobolan, 50mg anavar, 8iu genotropin. You're welcome.
Thank u
that's actually not a bad one, normally i'd advocate of not using tren with primo but this is low enough to where it's not going to over power primo. The tren, even at 70mg, is going to be effective. My buddy is running just 30mg a week now and is hard as a rock and strong as a bull, it's also messing with his head. I think back to my younger years and wish I could go back and kick myself in the jaw for using it how I did. 100mg per day of ace, up to 150. Absolutely retarded. smh. I see you're one of those estrogen positive guys, me too. I didn't used to be but as I got older something changed and now I get estrogen side effects from breathing. Try not to bottom out your estrogen though with the primo and aromasin together.
Var at the end of the cycle would be a nice finisher, I'd also say take GW throughout to keep the lipids in check and combat any negative sides the tren will have on cardio endurance (if any at all)
150 mgs is magical too me same sides lack of sleep actually I think I sleep better due too the tren being so harsh on the body
The problem with Trenbolone is it is EXTREMELY effective at getting you strong and building muscle, more so than any other steroid that you can realistically tolerate every day and run. At the same time, the problem with it, is it is just SO destructive to all the important organs in your body. If you run it at a dose where it is effective, being 350mg/wk upwards then it will FUCK your bloodwork over. Every health marker that is important it affects in a big way and it can take some time to reset. I know you can say this about any steroid, but trenbolone in particular only exerts its incredible effects whilst you are on it and there are no long lasting sustainable gains from it. So whilst you are lifting big and you have convinced yourself it was all down to your own efforts - you are soon reminded that it wasn't as soon as you come off it.
I know this sounds like a weird thing to say, but I often think about when I was lifting much bigger than I do now during my crazy tren days and think man that was so awesome, must of felt amazing - but the truth is that it didn't really because it made me feel so weird, unhealthy and out of breath most of the time. All that happens is that you 'get use to' feeling like shit, rather than thinking it feels fine. Its a tough one to answer whether its worth getting into or not when you take in all its detrimental effects vs short term gains it has to offer
For what its worth, in my opinion there is no point in using it at less than 350mg per week if you want some proper gains from it.
Tren side effects could get overwhelming. But it doesn't happen overnight. On acetate is day you'll really be full side effect deep by week 4. Figure the week after it really starts hitting abs your like God dam i feel beastly. The next week you'll be getting side effects.
I know primo and mast are similar but test tren and mast works best for me by i can't say about adding primo cuz I've never tried those 3.
But honestly if your gonna get side effects either way might as well get the most out of the tren and do at least 50mg day. And for your size that's actually really moderate. You can take cardarine for wind. Telmisartan might help also, coq10 but probably won't be anything noticeable with that.
Is there any specific reason for tren?? Just want to see what the hype is about??
If you play sports probably not a good idea. You might break out coughing when u start getting winded.
Winstrol might be better idea.
There's plenty of things that can build plenty of muscle without adding tren. Like 1200mg primo week with 2400mg test and some dbol or anadrol. And you will probably feel great on top of it. Minus all the nasty tren feelings and you could probably get similar results to 500mg tren week 500mg test.
If your putting the food in resting right working out right, then really shouldn't be hard to build.
I honestly feel tren is more of a look/ cutting thing. Than a building bulking thing. It's hard to eat on it worse than anadrol.
But it does make you strong as fuck too.
If you depend on wind though forget about it.
But just for lifting heavy ass weight its great.
You struggled with eating on it? It cranked my metabolism like crazy when i ran it, was only on 400mg test E 200mg tren E and I could eat chips and muffins whatever I wanted, was eating 5000K cals a day (3500 clean rest dirty) and I was pretty peeled, had lost about 6% bodyfat . My girl hated me because my waist was smaller then hers and I could eat anything I wanted lol.
I had to eat every 2 to 3 hours or I'd be extremely bitchy , the hunger was intense.
But I'd have to agree about it being more for cutting than building muscle, cause I could not gain any weight or more size despite eating that much . Mental sides were horrible especially when I tried 250mg for a week then 300mg the following week, wanted to check myself out of this world so I said nah I'm done with it lol
Damn 2400 mgs of test?
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Agreed 100%! The only difference is that the tren negative stuff vary from person to person. He must try it out and test their tolerances. For me starting off with 200mg / 300mg of Tren A per week(ZERO SIDE EFFECTS), I can tolerate up to 100mg a day. I don’t believe low dose Tren is effective, IMHO.
Yeah, my main reason for looking at tren is because the strongest people I know credit it for their growth.
I'm not prone to male pattern baldness (I'm 43 with a full head of hair), but I've read from multiple sources that winstrol and masteron both have negative impacts on hairline, so I've avoided those two.
I'm not averse to big doses of primo and test, but another reason I was looking at tren was to avoid just continuing to add CCs of oil. Pinning 3x per week with 720/720/360 (test/primo/deca), I was experiencing some leakage despite injecting slow and got some oil buildup in my quads that came out when I aspirated. Kinda freaked me out to be honest. Maybe need to rotate sites even more.
I'll look into dbol and anadrol. Would you opt for dbol over anavar? I was under the impression that anavar was cleaner while also being more anabolic... just more expensive. Anadrol I've never really considered, so I need to do that homework.
Trenbolone and DBol definitely affect the Hairline and thickness, it was when I started using these 2 compounds all the time that my hair just upped and fucked off!! Lol
anvilSo even at 40mg pw tren still gave me sides, the positive and the negative lol. I wouldn't reduce any test here, with high primo you might need it.
Which sides did you experience at that dosage? I was wondering if I'd even notice 70mg/week and it sounds like that answer is probably yes.
anvilI couldn't sleep.
At 70 mg per week you should get some of the nutrient partitioning effects from the tren with little to no side effects but everyone responds differently so I can’t say for sure. Personally if I were to run that ratio of test/primo I would crush my e2 but I’m also a low aromatizer. I would throw in some gh as well if the goal is lean gains/recomp.
My instinct is to run test higher, but all of the reading I've done suggests that tren will outcompete test for the same receptors and basically just aromatize. I've historically run test:primo 1:1. I wanted to keep the primo in for the anti-estrogenic effects and maybe a little more anabolism, but now I'm wondering if the primo is actually a net negative preventing me from reaching a more optimal tren:test ratio (which I've heard is 2:1 if negative sides aren't a factor).
I may be wrong but from my understanding tren will not actually raise estrogen but if you get bloodwork and get a regular estrogen test instead of an ultra sensitive, the tren will give a false flag for higher estrogen than you really have. I’ve only ran tren with mast (350/350/350-test c, mast p, tren a) and it was pretty mild , the mast really balances out the tren sides. I did at one point drop the test to around 180 a week and I felt much better with the test equal to the tren. Honestly I don’t believe that there is a standard optimal protocol that everyone should follow when it comes to tren , I think the side effects can vary so much from person to person the only way to really find out is to start low and build yourself up. I started at 100mg per week and every 2 weeks would increase the dose until I settled in at 350 per week.
TNT. Tren/Test/Mast. My sweet spot is 300/300/300. Kickstart short esters and work in longer esters at a low dose before transitioning to all Enanthate. 6/8 weeks on ace and continue the cycle to your tolerance. Everyone is different though so it will obviously be subjective to your experience.
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