posted Thu, 12/27/2018 - 16:31
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+ 2 Beef Isolate powder vs. Whey Protein Isolate?
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I've just recently ordered & received some Beef Hydrolysed Isolate powder from my supplements outlet as it's on a heavy discount atm. Its Banana Fudge flavour and one of the nicest ever protein shakes I've ever had, a very slight salt beef aftertaste if I'm honest but its actually likeable, I guess particularly if you like your meat! Just wondering if anyone has run Beef protein powder for a considerable length of time and got any greater gains than normal Whey Isolate powder? Its naturally higher in Glutamine, Glycine & Arginine also.
Here's a link to a study saying they actually found slightly better results in mass in the group taking the Beef protein than those taking the Whey powder:
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I used beef protein many years ago with good results. I would however use it with Whey Protein alternating both. Best of both worlds!
Whole foods are better if you have the time or your like me and your wife preps your food.
Whey can give me farts that stick to walls. Justin comptin through animal has a beef/meat/meal replacement protein powder. I think it has all grass feed meats and good sources of carbs from veggies and fuits. I think. People say it tastes good. Like u can tell your getting REAL nutrition from it.
My wife keeps my beef isolated and I for some reason let her get a WHEY with it
Great answer! lol
Lol! Perfect
'It's because she's got a great aassss!' - Al P, Heat lol
Lol i like that!
Make your own shake, 60g unflavoured whey, 5g glutamine extra, 2 bananas, 12oz water or milk.
StevebDo you think you absorb 60g of protein from a shake? I think most of whey protein shakes just get crapped out.
Whats the most you can absorb from chicken/beef/fish. 40g ish?
40g ish by weight or protein?
According to USDA.gov
1 cup, cooked, diced chicken is 135 gm by weight. Which contains 36.54 gm of digestible protein.
1 cup, cooked, diced lean beef is 134 gm by weight. Which contains 39.7 gm of digestible protein.
1 cup, cooked, flaked fish is 136 gm by weight. Which contains 32.3 gm of digestible protein.
Liquid protein does not stay in the digestive tract long enough to be fully digested.
Best to get your protein from food. Your body can absorb nearly all of the protein you eat. Whatever your muscles don't use will be converted to energy.
The maximum rate that whey protein can be absorbed is about 8-10 grams per hour.
It takes one and a half hours for a whey protein shake to pass through the section of the gut that can actually absorb it. So a whey shake will yield about 15 grams of absorbed protein.
So no matter how much whey you dump in that shake you will only ingest about 15 grams of protein. Now the good news:
Digestive enzymes (added by quality makers of whey protein drinks) can increase the absorption rate by up to 125%
you are correct, anything over the 20-25 gram recommended amount does not get used.
StevebThat's why I make them with only 20g whey protein and I throw some raw eggs in there for slow digesting protein.
I was always lead to belive raw eggs contain half the amount of protein of a cooked one when digested and also you run the risk of salmonella? Not arguing just interested in your findings mate
That was back in ye olden times. It's what your grandma told your ma.
Food handling has come a long way. Eating poultry, pork, and eggs do not have the dangers they once had.
Steveb99.9% of salmonella cases came from cooked food or vegetables. So really if you're worried about that avoid lettuce.
If you're going to eat raw eggs I'd assume you'd buy higher quality and not some Walmart $2 a dozen. I've been eating raw eggs since I was a kid and I've never been sick. And I've never known anyone to get sick off eating raw eggs. And most of the time I don't even rinse the eggs off before cracking them because I'm lazy.
I've read studies showing that cooked eggs digest better but raw eggs are better for you. You don't destroy any of the nutrients when you eat them raw. They also expand when cooked. It's easier to drink a dozen raw eggs then it is to eat them cooked.
So the brown hrass fed walmart or meijer brand eggs are good to drink raw? Should someone start with 1 raw egg white to test their gut?
StevebFirst thing you should do is not shop at Walmart. I don't throw away the yolks I eat the whole egg and yeah if you want it's up to you to try just one first.
It’s definitely easier to eat! If I don’t log on after this I’ve died of salmonella haha.
Stevebhttps://youtu.be/NhkdLHSKo9s
Rocky is still around
jayiskNever knew that. I had some doctors trying to give me shit over drinking pasteurized egg whites that come in a container.
They would have a heart attack if i said it was actual raw eggs.
"if you're worried about that avoid lettuce."
Lettuce always seemed like a waste to me..,no calories and minimal vitamins..,unless it was part of a nice salad.
It would be pathetic after everything i've been though that salmonella from lettuce finally killed me..,lol
StevebHow many hours of school do doctors focus on nutrition? I think it's close to zero.
Yep and most of them are in horrible shape..
jayiskafter doing some very heavy triples on stiff legged dead lifts i woke up the next morning with some minor knee injury.
went to my old dr. He had his resident give me a shot of cortisone. The pain from sticking that big ass needle into my inflamed knee kept me up all night. did not do anything to help the problem.
tried to tell him how i've use BPC-157 and was healed in ten days.
I looked at his office visit notes..,said take 6 weeks off from doing legs.
So I should just let me legs atrophy loss strength and there is no guarantee that will fix the problem.
At least he could have pretended to care and recommend some P/T.
so i just took some BPC and was back to D/L and squatting within 10 days.
he bend his knee and you could hear the cartilage damage of a 90 yr old women.
I asked the dr WTF did he do. said he had a coach in college having him doing smith machine squats.
the doctor also tried crossfit and knocked himself out on the 1st day.
this is who i'm trusting my life to?
jayiskdoctors think they are god and their prescription pad is the word of god.
StevebEverytime the news talks about a salmonella outbreak it's always lettuce or berries. Every once in a while you hear hamburger meat.
jayiskPast month or so it's been lettuce, beef, ground turkey, sausage links, and Jenny O ground chicken.
Ultimately its just an addition that makes things taste nicer isn't it - A ham, cheese, lettuce & pickle sandwich, Mmmm lol...
I've ran the Carnivor Mass before, the mass gainer and just the beef protein powder. Only issue I have with it is it's so freakin high in sodium, like unreal high.
I was in GNC last night and they had several jugs of the Carnivor Mass that expires in March 2019 so they marked it down to $13.98!! I almost got some, still may go back and grab one. I do get tired of the whey bloat. Woke up this morning with a nice, tight mid-section and a whey shake with two bananas and 1/3rd cup of oats later I'm on my way to the gym looking like I'm growing a beer belly. Pisser, lol.
I cheat and have 2-3 shakes a day, nothing crazy just 25g of protein in them with some almond milk, usually isolate however when I’m home and want a smoothie I use beef as it’s easier to digest than another whey shake. Also you need a blender to mix that stuff as it’s a nightmare. No difference in gains but less bloat and easier to digest.
Its Defo easier to digest isn't it mate - I'm guessing its the same stuff we are talking about here as we use the same outlet for supps?! I find in a shaker with the roller ball and it mixes pretty well, HOWEVER I've just got it out of the fridge after a few hours and the whole thing has jellyfied as its mainly collagen isn't it Lol
Same stuff mate! And I brought the 500g offer also as usually I get just plain chocolate, it’s a nice alternative although I usually add frozen fruit to the smoothie and the fudge banana one can clash with certain fruits.
Plain chocolate good too is it? I see there is a chocolate & peanut butter one also.
The Carnivor brand I had before was chocolate and PB, is that the brand you're talking about?
Plain chocolate is my go too, goes well with everything. Myprotein sell a beef protein vanilla flavour which is tempting as vanilla goes great with smoothies. I’m yet to compare it with the bulkpowders’ though.
I couldn't stand the smells or taste of any of the brands I tried, and I'm allergic to dairy so I don't use very either normally I try to just eat while foods but I do keep a tub of plant based protein around because it doesnt bloat me, that or I've liked using egg white protein as well. While whole foods are recommended I still think liquid nutrients are the best pre and post workout for readily avalible energy. Even if i had powder protein I'd still do egg whites and pineapple juice post ost workout always.
jayiskits bad enough you are Racist against Vegans but you are sooooo into yourself BEAST mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i read your stats and it sounds like the ramblings of a child:
About Beast1988
Track
I like eating and picking up heavy things
Grilled Chicken and brown rice is life
Pineapple and eggs post workout crew
Test is best
You can't sculpt a peeble
Deadlift addict
Relentless
Stats
Age: 42 years young and looking better then Tren addicted 20 year olds
Height: 6ft
Weight: 230lbs as of December 1st
BF: Fuckin like 20% right now cause I'm bulking
WTF is "Pineapple and eggs post workout crew" is that like Westside Barbell
And "42 years young and looking better then Tren addicted 20 year olds"
but your BF is 20%..., more like 35 %
The Vegan race? He couldn't be biased against or even have a prejudice towards vegans, but racist?
Goes to show just how infectious the progressive overuse of the label racist has become.
I'm not calling you a progressive, just that you've "unconsciously" parroted progressives.The word racist seems to have become synonymous with "bias" or "prejudice"
jayisk"Just wondering if anyone has run Beef protein powder for a considerable length of time and got any greater gains than normal Whey Isolate powder?"
Did you actually read what the OP is asking in this forum. So why bother responding telling us that you get tummy aches from real food. Dont care if your lactose intolerant and basically a vegan.
You know what my bad, I apologize for commenting at all. Didn't think I'd get attacked about something I didn't say and then docked karma for sticking up for myself
I negged you for calling him an asshole, mate. I wouldn't have negged you, if you just were discussing...
X2 and I'm giving him a -2 for sensitivity...
Do you even know what vegan is? I said I eat eggs in my response. Not liking the taste of beef protein powder doesn't make me a vegan, not being able to stomach dairy doesn't make me a vegan,, i use a plant protein cause it doesnt bloat me, again doesn't make me vegan.
I eat a lot of eggs and chicken and fish, whereas a vegan eats no animal products.
Next time you respond make sure you read everything and know what you're talking about. Thanks.
Um no im not a vegan and I did answer his question, I said I tried several brands and they taste like shit. I prefer eggs. Did you even read my response before typing your bullshit ?
jayiskBeast1988 you sir are Racist against Vegans. how dare you! God save the Queen!
LMFAO.... a racist against vegans? Hilarious!
Queen Cersei? Nah.
That responce from him was a little extreme. Probably all the estrogen from his plant based protein or hes in "beast mode" lol.
Lol... like I tell all my vegan buddies "make sure you got enough ai's at hand, when you're using soya & co"