posted Sun, 12/31/2017 - 10:16
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Views on using eq for a cutting cycle?
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Just a quick post to see if any of the family here have run eq during a cutting cycle? If so how did you find your results? I know eq can be a bitch for making you hungry but surely if your able to deal with the hunger you could get some decent results? It's the dry more vascular gains you get from the eq that's got me thinking about adding the compound in on my next cycle. Iv read a few threads but what I was reading was people planning on using for a cut but never actually posting the results. Hopefully I can get some feedback from some of you vets that have tried and tested eq as part of a cutting cycle.
P.S happy new year guys!! I hope 2018 is a year full of progress and gains for you all!!
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I personally wouldnt use it for a cut. Cutting is hard on the organs/body. EQ is quite a toxic compound.... which compounds the negatives of a cut.
RustyhookerIve never seen toxicity with it. Where did you see that? Raising rbc can be hazardous so we donate.
Its like tren Rusty, vicious with tri-g's lipids etc
Its also very hepatoxic compared to say test or nand or whatever
Rbc into sludge etc as you mentioned, but fat release does that too with tri-gs etc so take it as a hefty speeding up of the time to donate at a minimum. Double bad news for organs and general health
If i remember correctly recent studies on animals showed its toxic to the kidneys too which you wouldnt really read about in the older studies.
It raises acid levels too which wrecks meat quality in livestock... so i am sure that transfers to bb'ers too.
The studies from the last 2 years say, should summarise everything previously known and newer stuff like meat quality effects and nephratoxicity etc.
Id say you will see it all if you do a google scholar search on boldenone and hepatoxic and nephratoxic
Or ...'icity rather than 'oxic to mix it up
RustyhookerLivestock...possible. blood tests posted show otherwise. I ran it at 1000mg with drol pulsed 8-16 and tren e at 300.
Took bloods at week 16 and cholesterol was barely raised. My liver functions were at the very bottom of normal. My cholesterol was barely raised as well. And im not lean whatsoever. Everyones different of course but id look more at bloods than old animal tests. None of the eq users here that posted bloods during their cycles showed abnormalities either.
Rbc.... so far it has been proven that all steroids boost rbc. If folks donate prior to any eq cycle and again week 8, they should be safe. Blood donations should be every 60 days which fits into the overall.
The combo i ran above.... 100% MUST get blood donated at lest twice. Another good reason that gear users should monitor bp daily. Personally, id not advise drol with eq. It bites FAST.
Yeah drol is an interesting one sticky blood plus bp is scary.
Yeah I hear ya man, its one of those things. And id say most who do suffer (not all) are the types not to take say tudca or something.
So when i say i would never recommend it, its sorta like saying dont take 2 hepatox orals at same time.
Just with dieting and bold theres more organs getting a degree of damage, If that makes sense
That said, other than diet or with tren , i do like boldo tho
RustyhookerYoure statement then negates every cutting cycle out there. Tren, var, winny, tbol, test etc etc does that plus your fat dropping.
I see what youre getting at though with being safe
Haha yeah and who the heck is gonna listen to that right?! Lol but yeah its just a safety thing. Second half of last year firmly put that level of safety in focus for me for a few reasons. But like i say, i still really like eq.
Im thinking there is likely a dose relation though and as you show above not everyone gets bitten. And it is very possible to mitigate some of this with organ supports.... have a glance at these bloods if you get a moment... seems once ppl move from 600 to 900+ that kidneys get hit but liver at any stage...
600eq 7 weeks, liver not kidneys: https://www.eroids.com/pics/7-week-labs-big-d-test-e300-bodysynthetics-e...
600 12 weeks, liver and kidneys at upper: https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/66053/result_4weeks_a...
900 eq 11 wks in, bad liver until tudca: https://www.eroids.com/pics/mid-cycle-lipids-and-liver-the-gw50156-helped
900 eq liver and kidneys: https://www.eroids.com/pics/week-8-bloodwork-on-ifit-pharma-test-e-and-v...
RustyhookerVery interesting!! The last 2 were on high doses of tbol as well. Draws the question of the bigger picture. Most guys on here have other items they use as well that causes issues. Alcohol, meds, illicit drugs.
Your first citation.... click on op main page and view it. The results dont match the op. Switched somehow. But if i go to the op page and click.... theres no liver issues. Glitch?
Week 7 is horrible but week 8 is excellent?
https://www.eroids.com/pics/8-week-labs-big-d-test-e300-bodysynthetics-e...
The second link doesnt show the op or cycle
Third and 4th user used high doses tbol
RustyhookerEdit.... duplicate.
All 4 links arent what they appear to be. Maybe wrong copy n paste?
Also, not trying to debate. Hearing your opinions makes me wanna dig deeper. Safer.
Crap did i mess up some links. Will look at it
ETA: Yeah sorry i pisted the actual pic link for 2 not the OP. ill try dig it up
Nah no debate at all from me just thoughts. Sure look, they are all Multi compound, no safety nets for most and both you and i would easily find bloods to show zero lipid changes in about T-minus ten seconds... to contradict everything haha
LOL its science!
;-)
RustyhookerScience that can get damn scarey real fast. Always best to be safe. Its a long life but the quality of life matters.
Levrone posted his test results a while back. Showed his ecg, heart ultragram, etc etc. He was pushing the full testing for health. Was good to see a known pro doing this.
this info was extremely informative. maybe it will help you
https://youtu.be/Sh5u3Gy_lzc
I’ve used 600-800mg eq with 250mg of test for 16 weeks.One of the best cutting cycles but I was also at 10%bf. The endurance in my cardio sessions were crazy, I’d run 1.5 miles before and after I worked out every other day. Also gave blood. I love EQ. Haven’t used it in a while though. Get that diet dialed in. I cut like crazy with just test too. As long as you keep your estro down and and maintain a clean diet, it will be a successful cycle. Good luck man
I ran it once for cutting and loved it. Only ran it at 400mg a wk. Very low dose for EQ but it helped me with endurance. Didn’t have any hunger issues with that dose.
Going to run it this spring during a bulk at 1k a week. Let’s see how that goes.
RustyhookerIf your foods are perfect and find good "fillers" to keep any hunger low, its good. Theres easier ways to cut.
The pros... cardio endurance for the treadmill at anerobic level.
Cons.... appetite up, rbc, anxiety if youre predispositioned.
Test, provi, var is a lot easier. How much bf needed off?
Thanks for the info rusty! I'm normally really good on a cut with my foods I don't normally tend to struggle at all if I'm honest with the hunger part just wasn't sure how hungry it can make me but without trying it I'll never know as I know every person is different when it comes to sides.
I'm due to give blood some time soon anyway as I haven't donated in a while.
I always see you preach Provi but for some reason it's never really crossed my mind to give it a run as I feel I haven't looked in to the substance or know enough about it.
I'm currently around 14% I want to try and get down to sub 10 again and get my vascularity back since if binged a little over the holidays after coming off of a bulk before the holidays.
I was looking to do 16 weeks but nothing is set in stone yet.
1-4, anavar, 50mg daily
1-16 test e 500mg
1-15 eq 700mg
15-18 winstrol 30mg daily (Not decided)
Pct nolva- 40,40,20,20,10
Clomid- 100,100,50,50,25
RustyhookerIf you go that route, i wouldnt hit orals in the beginning at all. 12-18 right to pct with the var will help hunger if it even hits ya hard. Plus by then your cardio should be a breeze. Var is hugely anabolic and good when youre manipulating intake. Broccoli is my personal filler if hunger kicks.
Try donation of blood week 9 too. Youre goal is achievable, no doubts. Sounds like fun ride.