+ 1 To all you tren lovers on here
To all you tren lovers here at eroids (i know there are a lot of you) iv been reading up on tren over the last few days and want to hear your opinions. Im not going to run tren for a long time if i ever do. But i have read alot of conflicting arguments in the forums all over the internet and its that same thing over and over. Should you run tren higher than your test or your test higher than your tren? I want to hear your opinions. pros and cons, experiences and how it has effected you negatively or positively. Now i have heard that tren fights the same receptor as test and this is a reason that test should be run at a lower dose to get the full effect of the tren. Also feel free to post up studies etc to help the community if you have some good info available to yourselves Thanks
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I've ran tren a and test p at all different doses and have the same sides but the only one I hate is feeling tired and lethargic the rest I can handle and some I like lol. If your worried about it don't do it. Plenty of great comounds out there
What are your goals?
X2.
Im not sure it’s a compound I’ll ever use again. When life is good, it’s great. Let something go wrong, and it can put you in a bad place quick.
Don’t get me wrong, part of me loves it, but if I ever have to fight a big summbitch, I hope he’s on s tren run, because he’ll be winded quick.
My main concerns are health related though. I’m sure this one is posted somewhere, but it’s worth a read. I can accomplish anything I want without it really
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25461682/
Whoa. Fuck that. Thanks for posting, I’ve never seen that. +
I’ve never used tren, and I plan on keeping it that way. I’ll never compete and I already have a chick for life. Just not worth the risk factor to me.
It makes me second guess using it. I’ve had quite a few runs with it, some better than others. In the end, I can accomplish anything I want to without it.
My grandmother had Alzheimer’s, so I’m probably predisposed. I remember before she went to the nursing home, they had to put a sheet over the bathroom mirror. She would see her reflection and get scared thinking someone was in there, and piss in a corner. It was sad to watch her forget everything.
I’m looking at the long term more these days. I want to be a jacked grandpa, but I want to remember everyone’s name too, so I think I’m done with it.
Ive read that full dissertation. If you have Alz in the family you should never, never use tren again. But you should also look at the Alz relationship with sugar (carbs)
Sorry to hear about your grandmother
I was young enough that she scared me more than anything.
I do wonder if All 19 Nors have the same potential. Npp has been my favorite for a little while now. I feel like it has the good parts of tren without all the other shit.
Luckily I’m not big on sugar. Even a moderate amount and I can feel it exacerbate inflammation. But if they say spicy food is bad for us to, I’ll unplug and die happy. Lol
Yea I saw that shit about sugar. Nuts. Sugar is pure fucking evil man. It’s fucked up that it taste so good.
You ever see the New York Times (I think) article about how the cereal industry paid off Harvard doctors/scientists 50k each to put out the study falsely linking saturated fat to heart disease in the 60s or 70s? People still believe fat like butter is terrible for you, because of that study, while they sit there and chugging soda and smearing their white bread with “can’t believe it’s not butter” poison.
Edit: found it
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-sh...
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago...
Adam ruins everything did a little skit on the sugar thing. It’s crazy how those stigmas still stick today
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLtQLDptI1g
Nice thanks for sharing. Will check that out later on for sure
Yea dude, my Grandmom had dimensia on the way out, which I know is different but similarly shitty in that regard. So fucking sad and hard to see. Im with ya on the long term for sure. I’d rather look awesome and have my wits about me than look a smidge better and be in that state. On top of the effect is has on the people who care about you... fuckin brutal.
Low test high tren
Avoid carbs before bed to reduce sweating,add magnesium to sleep.
Magnesium is a god send on tren.
I honestly run almost every compound higher then test because i think test sucks...lol. I use trt or a little more just to stay "normal" and full. Other then that i run all my compounds, especially tren, higher then test. Anything over like 450mg of test a week and i just feel shitty (yes my estro is in check). I rather let the stronger compounds do the work so why have a bunch of test in me. A normal trenA cycle for me is 200mg test and 525mg of trenA. If im using tren hex then 350mg is all i need. TrenE sucks imho so i dont use it. The sides from the trenE was terrible. If im prepping then the trenA dose goes to 700mg along with a bunch of other compounds but thats not a typical cycle. So to answer your question.....tren about double my test dose.
Test is the mother of all evils!
Solid post +
Same here bro. Like my test in between 200-350mg personally. Cutting on 315mg test right now with 525mg Tren and 525mg Masteron. No sides at all
Atitan89In my opinion if you're running tren ace, id start with lower test higher tren. Then lightly start to gauge up the test closer to 1:1 and then higher if you start to feel better, lower sides, better results but overall feeling better. Everyone's body chemistry,diet,and lifestyles are different.
Thats just my opinion
Tren is very dependent on the individual. Even cycle to cycle. Sometimes i can run 500 tren ace sometimes i can only go to 300. My sweet spot for ace is 400 and my sweet spot for enanthate is 500. I like to make my test equal to my tren. And i like to have caber on hand. I dont run ace for more than 8 weeks or enan for more than 10.
I liked hrt test levels with equal or up to twice as much tren. Ace had my strength increase seemingly overnight so be EXTREMELY careful not to pull or tear something. Yeah your muscle is firing more efficiently than before but everything else is not lol don't forget it.
Reading the replies nodding my head, tren is completely person relevant.
High test e / moderate tren ace makes me thick, hard and has 0 sides.
I used to run high tren low test and I looked good but not like I could lift a fucking house. I definitely wasn't getting my times worth out of my cycles.
I will add its all achievable with a solid diet and testosterone only, this year made me realise that.
I'm convinced that diet and test only can get the results. I abandoned a tren a cycle at week 6, just got too weird. Funny because I felt great till week 5 but then it just spiralled out of control. Might be my old age but I'm not gonna fool around with different compounds anymore. The thing I have learned over the four decades I've been doing this diet is the most important aspect. I find it fun to alter diet and see the changes.
Proof is in your photos mate. You're a beast.
Tren is brilliant when you're in but the effects wear off quickly I find, diet and test give me quality keepable gains. I do love tren though.
For me I've learned to only run Tren higher than Test. Tren is so strong I don't see the need or point of running Test higher than Tren. I don't even see the point of running them equal because they are far from equal.
Not saying these are facts, just how it works for MY body.
High Test & low Tren = estrogen and tons of sides
Equal Test/Tren = Tren over powers Test and I still end up with sides
High Tren & low Test = zero side effects
But personally I've noticed the best way to lower Tren sides is with more frequent injections. When I ran Tren E even at a low-dose I got horrible sides because it would be a twice a week injection. So when it would finally kick in it was just too hard on my body. Night sweats, insomnia, raging and mood swings were out of control and made it not worth running the compound.
Tren Prop eod Cut my side effects in half and made the compound enjoyable. But I honestly still had a lot of insomnia and would have some mood swings and would definitely get night sweats no matter what. But the fact is I was trying to inject a certain amount every other day to equal out what I would want to inject over the course of the week. So when I broke it up to ed injections it made a big difference. Instead of injecting eod if I cut the dosage in half and then injected every day my sides go down to almost nothing. I might have some sleeping problems and I may sweat here and there at night. But all in all I can run twice as much over the course of the week when I'm injecting every day versus taking two shots a week. I am in no way claiming to be a doctor or saying that this is facts. I'm just saying from me personally trying all three methods I will only run Tren on an ed injection cycle to avoid problems.
Tren is like a summer fling. First you hook up and she is great, sex is awesome, she likes all the stuff you do and then after about ten weeks she starts acting crazy, flirting with your friends, not taking your phone calls, etc until you go crazy and go on a killing spree. The end.
Not quite that bad, but you get the drift.
Anonlol xD
Hahahaha
LOL
Next thing ya know you’re burning bodie(s) in the desert (Craig “”TREN” Titus) @_@
exactly!!!!
That’s an accurate & intensely hilarious illustration!!
For me tren is one of the best in cutting.I can't tell for sure if it's the effect of the drug on my body or just appetite.I find dieting very easy while on tren.I've only done the hex and enanthate and one tri tren.I usually go with the tren e.For me the sides are not as harsh.Hex and the tri both had me sweating the bed wet like I had the flu.The only side that is noticeable from the e is the fat burning and megalomania.I love the way it makes me feel but maybe too much.I've run it for short cycles and long ones.I know that most say eight weeks is standard but for me the real magic happened after that.Unreal fat burning,feelings of euphoria,and great strength gains,accompanied with a crazed appetite for sex and a dickhead attitude.
Anoni felt like shit when I ran tren higher than test, will never do it again I like it 50/50
Hi, my name is Jar, & I’m addicted to Tren!!
The reason so much is conflicting is because everyone’s bodies are different & react differently to tren or any compound really. Fist of all, yes tren & test fight for the same receptors. It’s not bro science, but definitely a fact. What happens to the test that isn’t attached is said to turn to estrogen. That I’m not sure is factual in every circumstance due to different reactions in different bodies.
Pmob schooled me on running high tren & low test & I started researching, & of course he knows his stuff & he was correct. In my experience, I believe if tren is run over 8 weeks that depression, anxiety & lack of sex drive can kick in if test is too low. That’s why many run it with test closer to the same dosage as tren & some run higher test. If I run higher test, say 600mg a week, I get better results from low tren at 250-300mg per week. I believe it’s better for a first time tren, or nor19 for that matter, to start with Tren A & Test P so the dosages can be quickly manipulated if need be & sides go away quicker. I have experimented several ways. In the past, I prefer ed pins of TrenA & TestP to help control sides. I run my test p a little lower than my tren a & don’t go over 10 weeks ever. I’m on Tren E right now & it’s my first go with it. Everyone said the E was so much worse than A as far as sides. So far, I’m loving it. I have upped my tren over the past 3 weeks & probably will continue to increase a little more just to experiment with my body. I’m running Test E & Eq with it & I plan to run the test & eq 20 weeks, & I’m not sure how far I will go with the tren yet.
Tren has been good to me. I have had to adjust the dosages during different cycles, but it’s easier to find that sweet spot on short esters.
I believe it’s also worth noting that I have seen my fair share of folks that have had horrible experiences with tren & swore it off forever. Different folks for different strokes....
It is broscience, there has been zero studies done on humans with tren. Noone truly knows if you should go high test low tren or vice versa because of the reasoning. Funny enough in cattle, 300mg was the max they give them to fatten them up and lean out the meat. Each person is different when it comes to metabolism, genetic reaction, and height/weight.
The best way to find out? Try it both ways and find out what works.
Here is an article that will make you scratch your head a little.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/782871
Yeah you’re right man, as far as human testing is involved so it is bro science....Thanks for sharing that brother & I’m definitely scratching my head! Lol I’m assuming all that was researched 1976 & prior.
One of my best cycles was test, bold cyp and tren e. 12 weeks total, think I actually ran out of bold after 10. But I put on like a 13lbs while dropping a good amount of bf. It was a great cycle, might do it again some day. Kept the test the test low-moderate, and let the tren and eq do the work. Combined they really give a sick look. Then anadrol toward the end to really fill out.
Sounds good bro! Would you run it longer next time? I’m really liking it &! I’m throwing adrol in at the end as well!!
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/trentest-ratio
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/the-test-and-...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/test-dosage-for-...
This topic has been discussed many times use the search function bro. I even put a link up for you too.
Thank you mate appreciate it!
Is it just suggested dosage ratios you want to figure out James?
Tren is a funny old compound and it really is a case of different strokes for different folks which can explain some of the variation in opinion
Yeahh pretty much mate
Gotchya
Because if its binding affinity to the ARs, lowering test is important, simply because it (beyond a certain level) becomes redundant and still has to go somewhere/aromatise or bind!
Thankyou matey!