posted Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:59
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tren a or npp? my first time using either.
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Only done test e cycles so far. Debating on adding either tren ace or npp. Any advice or suggestions on which one and maybe dosage suggestions as well. Thanks guys!
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cdaddy7Here is your 2nd Cycle layout with Test Cyp and lean mass diet for you @ 190lbs...I hope you like what I came up with for you, I try to make everybody's diet unique to suit their exact needs....it takes a little longer but it gives u and others a little variety to choose from....i want you to read my nutrition link I left at the bottom it will help u understand this importance of diet/nutrition whether you use gear or not....I just laid the whole shabang out for you so got all the info u need in it's completeness....implementation of these two together will yield u nicely
Week 1-12 Test Cyp @ 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week Mon and Thurs)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD or Arimidex .25mg every 3 days and start no later than week 3 and continue until the day of your PCT
15 days after your last injection of Test your PCT begins:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Now for your diet
Bear in mind this shake can substitute for Meal 1
GS9902's "kitchen sink wake up shake" = 1184 calories
2 scoops whey
1 egg
1 cup oats
1 cup plain greek yogurt
2tbs flax seed cold milled
1 banana
1tbsp of natural peanut butter or almond butter
1 cup mixed berries
OR
Meal 1
6 egg whites
2 whole egg
1 slice whole wheat bread w/sugar free jelly
1 cup oatmeal
Meal 2
1 can of very low sodium tuna in water
1 cup whole wheat pasta
Large green salad
1 tbsp of Italian dressing for flavor
Preworkout
2 scoops whey protein
½ cup oatmeal or bran
1 cup of 1% milk
¼ cup of blueberries or strawberries
Post workout
1 scoop of whey protein
1 cup 1% milk
8 oz. chicken breast
1.5 cup whole wheat pasta
Meal 5
8 oz boneless skinless chicken or turkey breast
1 cup whole wheat pasta
1 cup choice of greens
Meal 6
8 oz salmon or lean beef
2 cups spinach salad with vinegar and olive oil dressing or italian
Meal 7
60 grams of casein protein for overnight fast
1 cup cottage cheese
1 tbsp almond butter or handful of raw almonds
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
Thanks bro. Good detail plan. Copying that all down.
Great depth of info big C
Forget, tren, npp or any other 19's - with a correct diet in place, BF% less than 12% a simple but effective test c cycle will give you surprising results
what he said VVVV and when you finally decide to try adding a compound I highly recommend you go with deca or npp as your first experience with a nor 19 compound. this really is about learning how your particular body chemistry reacts to different compounds. As a first go round, starting off with deca you are taking less risks as far as side effects go. Be sure you understand and research each compound prior to using as well as the necessary ancillaries. You don't want to get caught with your pants down!!
cdaddy7Like I said bro it would be good for you to just try Test Cyp for a 2nd cycle and see if your body and you like it better than the Test E...You never know it may be the nectar you love and then for the 3rd you can begin to introduce another compound..You will grow just fine with another Test only cycle and find which compound prefer and that will be your baseline runner...The Tren is other until at least TEN cycles under your belt...Keep it simple and you will find longevity in this...You are young and plenty of cycles to go so I wouldn't get into a hurry..I will even work up a diet plan to fit your goals....So what do you say to another solid Test Cyp change up cycle and I will make you a diet to yield you the gains you so desire?
I'm all for it bro. Thankful for the help.
I'm thinking I'll just run test again. Either enth or cyp. Considering the dbol kicker. Any thoughts on that? And thanks everyone for the advice and help. Y'all are the best! I love this site!
Tren is a compound that I have never tried but have done tons of research on . Yes it is amazing but along with that comes amazing sides. IMO tren should be used by people who compete and are pro or looking to go pro. To me it just isn't worth the risks.
Whats your age bro... just so i can weigh up your exp level... please.
I'm 28. Never been into sports or anything until the last few years. Getting into mma now.
I agree with every one on tren, but also deca is not something you should try for your 2nd steroid.. Deca will shut you down hard compared to others, just like tren.. They're very diff but a lot alike. Personally if you starting back up I'd just go with test e.. But plenty of other options than deca or tren if you want a 2nd.
What would be a good 2nd? I've always heard deca, dbol, or tren.
cdaddy7Run another test e r c cycle only for 12 weeks again....to switch it up a little to see which compound you like better if u ran enanthate then try cypionate or vice versa IMHO....you may discover that one compound works better for you than the other...very simple and then u consider an add in for the 3rd cycle....It's a win/win in my book
Running another test e cycle OR test e with a dbol kicker? Personally I'd just run the Test E cycle 1-12 again.
Keep it simple bro. You've no need to over complicate things yet, you're still going to get GREAT gains from that Test E.
Let me know if you want me to lay it down for you.
Knew I was forgetting something lol. Stats. 5'10 down to 190lbs from 250. Gained a massive amount of weight after an injury put me in a wheelchair. Cutting the weight but also trying to improve strength and gain good solid lean mass. Not sure of bf% right now. Waist and ab area is only place still carrying extra weight.
zewisWifeShounds like it been awhile since you have done a cycle.
IMO i think you should go back to the good old test e cycle.
the next 30 days before you start get your diet in check and hit the weight room hard.
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week
4-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
pct 15 days after last shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
cdaddy7The Mrs Z strikes again!!!! Excellent cycle
cdaddy7I can already tell you like Nitti drop the "Tren dreams" and post those STATs
Stats
Probably won't get any responses without them. And if you've only run test cycles. I would forget tren. You need to get a feel for and experience other compounds. Especially nandrolone to get the gist of the 19-nor. I'd say no matter your stats you're a long way from being ready for tren
zewisWifeX 4 or 5 or whatever it is..
cdaddy7Hey sweetheart!! Good to see you!! You keep Z in line!!! LOL
zewisWifeAlways
zewiBOOOM!!!
Look we are not trying to be rude. But Tren is a dream right now--you wont find anyone here supporting you on that mission. However, get your stats up and we can work with that NPP cycle even if its your second cycle. However, stats important because if you have 16% BF we will NPP is not a good thing.. Also it give us an idea on the dosage, and length of the cycle.
1jakd_hipyTren's results are a dream...Tren's sides however are a nightmare, literally. Especially if you already have sleep issues it will greatly compound them
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