posted Tue, 12/20/2011 - 10:52
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Im not ready for needles yet so I've decided on oral. Im also on a budget so I can't afford a whole lot of different things. Worried about too many side effects as well. And I don't have any desire to be Ronnie Coleman size lol. More concerned with strength gains than mass. And not interested in the puffy bloat of water retention. I think I have it narrowed down to either anavar or turinabol. What Im wondering is which would be better and why? Im trying to weigh the pros and cons of each. Price, what kinda gains can I expect from each, what kinda side effects I can effect from each, dosage, etc. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!
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One other thing. Where is a good place to pin?
tread-mLook it up online so you can watch and learn. Glutes for example need to be in the right spot to stay off the sciatic nerve and other tips for legs as to spots. Delts are kinda dead center. Watch some on youtube brother and learn it.
tread-mIf you're not ready for a needle you're not ready, pill munchin is a non-starter for me.
After getting my diet in order what's a good cycle to start with? Something not very drastic but with fairly solid strength gains. And what's the best way to maintain the gains?
Anona very simple and most effective cycle for your first time is a TEST E or C cycle with proper PCT and ancillaries to deal with unwanted side effects.. Not a thing more is necessary ... training needs to be on point as well with proper diet and rest..
27 train at least an hour every other day. Slowly training more and more. Not a very specific diet yet. The main focus of my diet right now is meats, eggs, and I try to get as many veggies as I can. Considered adding a multivitamin to make up for anything I may be missing daily.
If you listen to these guys with some rep points you will get there I promise. With the help of these dudes even though I have made great gains, lowered blood pressure and much more take the advice and run with it. Good luck...and cheers
Deff add a multy v, one of the most important supps you can take. Focus on getting your diet on point pree cycle bro. This way you can get the most out of your cycle.
Nasty81NateYou definitely need to get your diet figured out before ou do any cycle. Age wise your fine. A change up in training would benefit too, your prolly stuck in the same ol rut of a routine. But really focus on diet. Get a good multi, fish oil, bcaa, a decent protein powder and maybe even some creative. A cycle might be in your future, but right now you need to see what dialing in your diet will result in.
Im 5'10 200lbs now. Normally Im about 180. Had surgery and couldn't walk so I gained weight while laying around eating all day. My goal is to cut my weight back down and bring my strength up. Im starting in mma soon and my focus is on strength gains.
Nasty81NateAge? Time training? Current diet?
TxBigBoyLike everyone else said an oral only cycle is pointless bro, your gonna lose what you gain if you even gain anything at all. If money is a big concern then I'd really like to know how much you spend on food cause your diet is gonna be the thing that impacts your cycle and gains the most. If your really serious about taking the plunge into steroids do it right and research a lot more then get a friend that doesn't mind doing your injections for you since you have an issue. Honestly bro I had a terrible fear of needles when I first started, I'm talking passing out in Drs offices bad but for me steroids were a permanent thing so I got over it. The first 4 times were bad but I swear after that I started looking forward to pinning. Do your research and be smart out it brother.
What can i say that has not been said before, just man up and pin bro. Oral only cycles are really no good bro, horrable on your liver and you will loss most if not all your gains.
Thanks for the quick response guys. Im also new to this site so its taking me a min to figure out how to use it. So pinning isn't that bad? I always thought you had to go pretty deep and do it everyday. And will that give me good solid gains? I don't wanna sweel up and just look big and bloated without definition. I have decent definition naturally as I've always been more or less on the slim side. I know these questions are probably a lil dumb and something you've heard a 1000 times but I am grateful for the help.
TxBigBoyThe only dumb questions are those that aren't asked.
Easy there bro lets get some stats first.
Nasty81NateBoth those Orals will shut down your natural test production, and you'll most likely lose most or all of your gains when your oral only cycle is over. Bro there's only one right way to do a first cycle and it involves 500mg of test e or test cyp done with twice a week injections of 250mg each. Run the cycle for 12 weeks, wait two weeks and run a four week post cycle therapy of Nolva and/or Clomid. Your diet and training will determine the type of results you get from this cycle. Get those right and you'll be extremely happy. Your first cycle is your best cycle if you do it right, don't mess it up bro.
On a side nite: the hardest part about pinning is the first time, after that you realize how easy and non-painful it is. Think about getting some vitamin b12 to use to practice pinning before you start ur cycle. You could also get a bro to help you with the first pin.
Do exactly what nasty Nate said. Don't fear the pin bro, just arm yourself with the knowledge and get some good gear. You will never look back:)
Im looking for the right Test now. How many ml should each pin be? It looks like the test comes in 300 and 400 mg but wouldn't that mean Im pinning the whole vial?
Eric090585sigh ain't gonna gain much from either, but you'll gain less from var and it costs more..but var is the least toxic on your liver. basically, you're wasting your time with either of those.
warm up to the idea of needles bro...pinnin once a week is hella easy.