posted Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:29
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Test Prop - ED vs EOD
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Hypothetical question...Say somebody was going to do a Test E 500/wk run and they were going to do a Test Prop kickstart. Test prop has about a 1 day half life right? Most posts say to do 150 mg eod of Test Prop for a kickstart. With such a short half life wouldn't it be more beneficial to do it everyday to keep consistent levels? Wouldn't 75 or even 100/mg daily be better than 150 eod? I'd like to hear some reasoning behind the eod theory...is it just to avoid daily pinning or is there a better reasoning behind it? I'd like to hear both sides of the coin and why.
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I-OmegaI've taken it ED and EOD many times and personaly found zero difference except the inconvienience of pinning eevry day. You'll be fine with EOD shots.
I have been running all my test ED now, P and or E/C.
I have noticed that things like temper, blood pressure and acne have all been much better even with the longer ester tests.
I used to pin 2x week for my long esters and since moving to ED I feel better, look better than before. I know it is not needed and might be overkill but I do notice a difference.
once I go on cruise I will go to EOD with the longer esters, but for now I am going to stick to ED for a little experiment.
tread-mYeah I like the H response but all great info blow IMO. The best and most extensive study I have read has prop falling off a cliff at almost exactly 48 hrs. So you combine that with the fact that it takes about 6 hrs to begin to increase free test blood plasma levels there will be fluctuation in hormone with eod. Ed, as was said below, allows almost perfect blood levels of free test and stable hormone even if high stable is good. Many will have severe bacne with eod, myself included, and nearly if not completely clear on ed. I still say with a long ester in the mix and using as a kick the eod is likely quite effective. Will also say if bacne or just general issues of sides occur as a result of eod even in a kick, ed can be started at half dose and clear up the issue for most. The other issue in fluctuation is that you are more likely to surge estrogen levels so if that is the case you can bring in the AI a bit and resolve that along with the habit of high water intake and low salt which should be a constant in the life of a builder anyway. Not a terrible idea in my view to run the AI at half tab eod in the first two weeks of a cycle anyway to make sure test binders and estrogen are in check. In my view it helps insure a nice kick off to the cycle and insures more of your test is actually free for receptors rather than being bound by shbg. Tend to fell the same way about the final two weeks of a cycle given you prefer these numbers are in check as you enter the off cycle. I'll add, if you have the prop on hand its a great idea to close the cycle with a prop taper so it takes you straight to pct as opposed to the two week lay over.
Personal rule of thumb (for me):
ED for cycle
EOD for kick and/or taper
its closer to a 2 day half life, ace is closer to 1 , phenylprop closer to 3, so most people do eod bc they dont like to pin, i personally love pinning and ed would keep your blood levels more stable if youre up to it, however youre talking about a kickstart for a test e cycle so eod is perfectly fine, u really need to find out what works best for u everyone is different
dbolzI have used prop at 70mg ed before and it was perfect. When i try and run it eod i always looking for an early shot by the next night. Not sure if its all in the mind though. Supposedly the ed regime will have your levels as stable as they get. Perfect if you are prone to acne.
this is what i found.. i broke out like a mother doing eod... i switched to ed and it cleared up in a few days... felt better doing it ed as well, other than the constant pinning... my glutes hated me!! :-)
dbolzHad the exact same effect and i am not usually prone to acne, prop/sust are the only tests that brakes me out on the back. Ed guarantees no acne imo. There is some good prop around atm as long as its eo based wont be as bad for cheeks or any other bodypart
Wouldnt try it with something like veyron though eod is more than enough
Its peek is on the 2nd day. So everyday is really best to keep levels at best.
just half a cc a day is good for a kick start.
Technically half life of 2-3 days. For ''our'' purpose of use more is better. just like if a doctor gave u test e/cyp for trt it would be 1 pin for about 2 weeks as subscribed dose , when in ''our'' world its 2x a week .... imo its just eod will have you feelin it w/less pins , ed will have you REALLY feelin it.. 3 days your pushin inconsistant levels ect. , your prefrence