posted Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:08
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Test Prop and Tren A
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I have asked this through PM to someone also but wanted to put on board.
What do you all think of a Test Prop 50mg EOD and Tren A 100mg EOD?
This is a general quesiton for general info. Do those doses look effective? I have read a lot of the test and tren fighting for same receptors and running tren higher is more effective. Wanted to see if the dosages were high enough.
Thoughts?
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I ran test e 500mg tren e 250mg last cycle and like Nitti I had bad sides of acne (prob because I ran out of ai mid cycle) I only used aromasin bc I wasn't running a high dose of tren and only mildly suffered from night sweats and insomnia. My next cycle i plan to run 350mg tren e and 400mg sustanon see how that works out for me. Will def pick up some letro to be on the safe side
IMO there are better options than Letro. Of course it's a great thing to have just in case. It will actually reverse gyno. It worked well for me the one time i needed it. But god damn that shit is harsh. It will shut down your estro to the point where it becomes painful. I'd never use it again unless it was an absolute emergency. Caber with your aromasin is a better option if you're using a 19-nor
cdaddy7Correct mainly bc after u have all that suppression of estro then u will rebound...it has a 95-98% squash rate and it will express the gyno BUT like Nitti said It's with u for life...the only AI that will actually bind to the enzyme and never let go is Aromasin...Letro I refer to like a fire extinguisher...u want it for an emergency...it works quick and hard but will make ur body and joints ache and kill off ur libido completely....just use Letro for acute flares....stick with Aromasin....positive effects on igf, binds and doesn't let go, u can run it in PCT and it def will control ur estro without rebound....whats not to love about it....Caber and Aromasin def good combo for 19 nor cycles
You guys rock.. ya I've gotten the run down before on letro.. ill def stock up on the caber instead.. you guys will see more of me pre cycle in a month or so
100mg/EOD of tren gives me sides, as stated below ED pinning is much better, however even 50mg/d gives me sides. I played with doses up and down and done many different cycles with tren and it really doesnt matter anything over 35mg/d gives me tren sides...Have you ran NPP? im assuming these guys down below must know that you have cycle experience? I dont know it so forgive me for asking
nevermind I see you have made some posts about cycles in the past, what are your goals for this cycle?
Roid,
This post was more or less to get info or beliefs on running Tren higher than Test and what the effective doses would be. If I were to run, I would run Tren as stated. I have done Tren with no sides at all, that was Tren E though. Im not quite ready for a cycle, but soon. I love Tren and the effects are better than any other substance out there IMO. I have not run Tren higher than Test as of yet. That was the point of the thread. Thank you for replying, you are respected memeber, and I appreciate it.
Well I can tell you the I have done it both ways at one point or another. I've run high test doses with low tren, high tren low test and I've run tren alone (yes, long before I knew what I was doing). I can tell you that in my experience ,the gains on high test low tren were there. My diet sucked at one point. I didn't eat right and not nearly enough but still made solid gains. Someone mentioned the feed efficeincy aspect. Yes, tren was developed to bulk up cattle the last 18 weeks pre-slaughter with a higher feed efficiency. Farmers didnt increase the amount of food but the cattle packed on lean mass. It does the same to us. Problem was I had some shitty sides. I ran test at nearly a gram a week and tren less than half that. The acne was bad, insomnia was perpetual, sweats constantly and I always had this chip on my shoulder. I would snap at everyone. My bp was high. It's all caused by excess estrogen in the body. You can have an aggressive AI protocol and still get these sides. ALL AAS compete for the AR. Some steroids have a higher binding affinity to the receptor than others. Tren happens to attach to the receptor very nicely and will beat out test most of the time. When I ran higher tren (I was apprehensive). I used a TRT dose of test and used tren a at 80mg Ed. The gains were the same but the side effects weren't. My libido was in tact. I felt good. I slept better. Still sweat like a pig but that's ok. I was worried that I wasn't using enough test. I always thought (2:1 ratio of test:tren). Well now I only use this method when tren is involved. So what Noid said is accurate. You are one of the guys who aren't prone to sides. You should do well on this cycle.
well heres the deal, should test be higher or lower then tren? well that depends really, the reason tren is ran higher then test GENERALLY is because of sides, thats the main reason why the idea of high tren low test came about. So in your case that doesnt really apply, some people dont get sides from tren and so really at that point its goal orientated. YOU are one of the lucky guys that gets to build your tren cycle based on goals like any other steroid stack. so with that being said if you want to gain more weight and be a little wetter then go higher test, if you want the dry look less gain then keep the tren higher.
Folks reply often the Ed pins give less problems/sides
zewio i agree. i was just going off what he wanted to do. +1
cdaddy7I with u two on everyday for the less sides but i def can understand the human pin cushion....but not much difference in eod and ed but everybody likes Tren differently....ratios....pining...I'm with Nitti saying that u just have to find ur "sweet spot"....my only two cents to offer is if ur prone to gyno then def make sure ur test is low or reasonable so u don't have estro surprises...and maker sure u have Caber and Letro on board that was my other cent....LOL
Zewi,
I wouldn't want to pin everyday and I get no sides except sweats from Tren. EOD fine if that is the case?
zewiyes EOD is fine.
Thanks my man. Always, helpful!
CleyonAdditionally, if you pin ED then you aren't going to forget where you are at and pin on Thursday instead of Wednesday or vice versa.
That Zewi, that is what I thought. I just wanted the Tren dose to be high enough and the test to be just right. Yeah, if need to move up later in the cycle a person could.
Thanks
zewiIM you want 2:1 ration with tren. So if you stay this course your looking at 400mg of tren per week on your logest week with 200mg of test,, and on your short weeek you looking at 300mg tren and 150mg test.. So yes its a good place to start.
Andyhting can be adjusted.