posted Sat, 12/17/2011 - 07:13
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Clen, Test E, Tren E, D Bol cycle
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Hey everyone, here is a proposed cycle:
Clen 60mcg a day for one month (2 weeks on, 2 weeks off)before I start cycle to reduce some body fat
Test E 600mg a week weeks 1-12
Tren E 300mg a weeks 1-10
Dbol 50mg a day for the first 4 weeks
6'0 tall
195
Several cycles including Tren so I know the sides.
Purpose is to gain lean mass and cut up a bit. Strength always comes.
Have PCT already so I am square there.
Need to know what you think about cycle and how much realistic protein and calories needed to truly gain. This is the hard part for me, eating enough!!
I know its a basic cycle just trying to get some disucussion and input.
Thanks,
KidCrese
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atlas, you aren't being a dick, its fine.
I am lean at 195, the point is for the clen to get my bf down a little further so when I start cycle I optomize the results. That doesn't make sense? Every cycle i have done I have kept a lot of the gains with diet and working out. I never want to get huge, just lean muscle, and I have accomplished that in the past. Now I am trying to put on a little bit more muscle weight and remain lean. And you can be tired of this shit, thats fine too.
Tread- yes pls on the diet advice. BF is about 12% last time it was checked.
tread-mOk, incredible start point for you here in my opinion and if you dont like ikt let me know and I can send you to another. Go to jaycutler.com and click on blueprints bottom right of the home page. Your goal will help decide what time of year to look. For example, if you want real lean gains with no bulk, you might look to his diet around last august and early september as he was cutting for contest. Its not even about the volumes of food that you may need something like hgh or another ghrelin producing compound to burn all those calories. Its more about the synergy of the specific foods. So if you follow a professionals diet you have to be food specific. Understand, they have people who are actual food scientists working these diets to goal and they know how to create metabolic change etc. You may go in and sub one food for another and blow the whole plan becasue that food and one other had a synergy effect on muscle or fat or recomp etc. You could even back up to mid year and run that portion of the diet for two thirds of the cycle and then run the later diet for the final third and a week or two beyond cycle into pct to cut up a bit. Having cycle experience you might look to a prop taper at the end running your hcg jumpstart and a couple weeks of adex low to cut estrogen leaving cycle and pct. During late pct and post cycle all together you have to eat bigger and eve n leaner to hold the quality type gains you are talking about. Go to heavy weight and less reps maybe a shorter workout for 4 weeks or so post pct to try not to burn too many calories until the jumpstart has fully occured back to normal natty....just some tips but yes, the clen is kind of a non-starter for me. Not to be harsh but clen to me has always seemed lazy even though I prefer it over a lot of other things. If someone is dead set on a bad idea that may be one of the least bad ideas ran low but still a bad idea none the less. You are plenty lean to make this work with hard work in the kitchen and gym.
. Just keep seeing so many kids on here that are really gonna hurt themselves.. your gonna do it anyway soo in my opinion, drop the Clen (that shit is so bad for your heart) I don'tven mess with it anymore, one of boys friend heart attack at 26. Was on clen... just lean up before with some good old diet and cardio. Makes sense to be lean on start of cycle but don' lt put your heart at risk for it. Don't know about you but I want to be around for a long time.
Clen to.reduce bf????? Ur 6'0 at 195.. if u need Clen at that weight to get fat off u have bigger problemso. what is your lbm?..sound to me u have no right touching gear.. go back to the drawing board,(training, diet, cardio)... what's the point of gaining 20 pounds on a cycle if you gonna loose it all when your done becouse nothing else is in check... unless u like stretch marks and loose skin... Don't say ou know what your doing becouse after several cycles wicha you Said u have don(including tren, the boss of aas.) Ur 6'0 195 and not lean.. sorry to.come off as Dick just tired of seeing sooo many people here that need to go back to the basics and have noo right even looking at gear. Everyone wants a quick fix tired of this shit.
Drop the clen bro, and I would o with tren A instead
tread-mWell I just can't get on board with a cycle that includes clen and dbol brother. There is too much there to indicate you are looking for the compounds to do the work and that always seems like the quickest path to failure to me. I can guide you to some good diet help to bulk though. What is your bf% today?