Test Primo & Anadrol Cycle
I'm planning out my next cycle, Would like to know what people think. I'm a 38 year old male, 5' 11", 207 lbs., 14% BF. this will be my second cycle. my first was nowhere near ideal, especially as a first. It was a pretty heavy stack, when it should have been test only. I was dumb enough to run it based entirely on a friend's advise. I've spent a shitload of time and energy researching, & planning out my next cycle, & I think I have it figured out, but I would greatly appreciate any input you all may have to offer. So here it is.
Week 1-6 anadrol (50mg ED)
Week 1-15 1/2 Primo (200mg EOD)
Week 1-16 Test C (125mg EOD)
Week 4-18 hcg (250 iu E3D)
Week 2-22 aromasin (12.5mg EOD)
Week 19-22 clomid (50/50/25/25) ED
Week 19-22 nolvadex (40/40/20/20) ED
Week 1-22 Cycle Assist (8 caps ED)
I know it looks odd having the Primo 1-15 1/2 & the test 1-16, but that works out to exactly 11 vials of Primo, & I didn't see the point in buying another vial for one additional injection. I also know the with the injection frequency, I could probably opt for test prop instead of Cyp, but I already have some from a pharmacy, & don't want any more PIP than necessary. I have already placed my order for the pct & HCG, & I'll be ordering the rest soon. my last pin from my last cycle was in mid July, & I completed my 6 week PCT in September. I will be getting my blood work in the next week or so, & I will only start my cycle if all of my bloods are back to normal.
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You don't need primo at this stage. First few cycles and honestly beyond should be test, maybe after you get a feel for his test effects you add an oral but you're not at that point yet. You stated your first cycle was a heavy stack so you ran multiple drugs so how can you possibly know how testosterone effects you? Test is the bread and butter of steroid use, you need to learn exactly how it effects you, what sides you're prone to and so much else. You can't do that running multiple drugs, you don't know what did what. Everyone likes to underestimate the power of test and get all fancy right away, but this is some next level shit, second cycle primobolan, this is what a 1700 dollar cycle? That's completely absurd for a beginner. I'm sick today so I'm to tired to type out why this is such a dumb idea. But in a nutshell the results of a 500mg test cycle with maybe some var or winny at the end and your proposed cycle will net basically the same exact results. You can only build muscle so fast even on steroids. After a while test might not cut it anymore and that's when you start adding other shit in, to attempt to continue to get the same results as youd early cycles even though most of us can't even replicate the gains from our first or second cycle etc. what exactly do you think primo is gonna do for you that test can't? I'd put that primo away and save it for down the road after you've gotten your feet wet. And anadrol would not be my selection of oral for a primo cycle.
EVWRYONE UNDER ESTAMATES THE STRENGHT OF TEST. , excellent.and true ,... so fucking true .. not much more i can add i cant unless everyone is cruising on like 250 to 400 a week idk. bro. test works for me. and im natty 20+ years. and still get big gains from.test. ...and any one of these young bucks want to see what the oldman is talking about my pics.are up.i dont give a shit. i did 20+ inside. so. ..
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That makes a lot of sense. What do you think about this?
Week 1-16 Test C (500mg/week)Sunday & Wednesday
Week 4-18 hcg (250 iu E3D)
Week 2-22 aromasin (12.5mg EOD)
Week 19-22 clomid (50/50/25/25) ED
Week 19-22 nolvadex (40/40/20/20) ED
Week 1-22 Cycle Assist (8 caps ED)
Look solid to me. I'd just monitor the aromasjn dose it would be to high for me but I'm in the minority when it comes to how much Ai I need. But that dose shouldn't crush your estro you should be good but id do blood work after 8 pins so 4 weeks and see where your levels are at specifically estrogen and adjust if necessary. And the hcg you can make it easy and just pin if twice a week some say the day before your test shots is best I don't think it matters at all so I do them on the same day. Some will say 100mgs of clomid but I think the research shows not much if any further benefit last 50. I actually have a friend prescribed it right now from what seems like a knowledgeable endo in hopes of raising his test and avoiding trt ( he's never used gear just one of the many with low T) and his doc has him on 50ngs and I believe it's only 5 days s week but stick to daily dosing for coming off cycle. And I'd personally cut the cycle to 12 weeks. For the majority of people I'd say like 90% of the muscle you'll gain will happen the first 8-10 weeks. Then our very smart body does things to counter the crazy amount of anabolism occurring and slows it to a snails pace and additionally our body gets used to the drug after a while and it stops having the same effects. My first few cycles I ran long like that thinking well I put on 23lbs already at week 8 I'm gonna be a monster if I go 8 more and gains stall calories go up as everyone suggests and I end up with 5 more pounds of basically fat over the next 8 weeks. For some people the lack of gains is from not upping cals as the cycle progresses but most of the time it's just the body returning to homeostasis and getting used to the drug. Took me a while to finally say ok I'm giving up on long cycles as we all know it's fun being on but there's no point in continuing to stress the body for very little reward. 12 weeks seems to be the best when weighing risk reward. You'll make basically the majority of your gains most likely befors you even hit week 12, then you still got 2 weeks of high but declining test levels before pcf. 3 weeks might be a little long to wait I'd shoot for more like 18 days. And as pct progresses I'd lower the dose of aromasin as your using it to control the estrogen levels produced by 500mgs of test ew, during pct your test levels will be shit so not much estro conversion going on and the little that there will be will be crushed by an ai. So I'd go to 6.25 the last two weeks of pct personally.
Thanks. That's great info. I have posted another thread regarding the test only cycle, & I've tweaked it a bit based on advice from the forum. This is what I've come up with so far;
Week 1-12 Test C (500mg/week)Sunday & Wednesday
Week 11-14 hcg (1,000/week)Monday & Thursday
Week 1-18 aromasin (6.25mg ED)
Week 15-18 clomid (50/50/25/25) ED
Week 15-18 nolvadex (40/40/20/20) ED
What do you think?
looks good to me, with a 12 week cycle hcg will make pct much smoother faster recovery, it always did in my case. you could run it all throughout, do it like your proposing or start it 14 days out from pct and blast 1000ius eod for 10 days so you stop 4 days before pct so it has time to clear your system. for longer cycles id always recommend running it throughout, but a 12 weeker probably not necessary. ive always had success with the 10 day blast before pct for simple cycles like this. its simple and easy. your protocol is for 3 weeks at 500ius twice a week? if youre gonna do that id start it like 5 weeks out since im assuming you have a 5000iu vial of hcg and run it for 5 weeks. In my experience starting hcg late in a cycle you either need bigger doses to fill the boys out and wake the hpta up or run it for a longer period of time at the normal doses, and 1000ius ew is what i run it at all cycle long, 500ius split twice a week. Theres so much debate on whats best, some docs have trt patients on 500ius 3 times a week, some 250ius twice a week some 500ius twice a week and then theres the debate amoung us steroid users. I think the 10 day blast would be most effective or starting the 500ius twice a week a but sooner then 3 weeks before pct. Just my opinon but either way im sure youd be fine, on a cycle like this you could get away with no hcg theres many people who never use it and recover fine.
I actually have 10,000 iu on order. What do you think would be the best use of this?
If bloods look ok try test only
Stats
Age: 27
Height: 5'10
Weight: 65kg
BF:
Son, you need food and nothing else at this point....5'10 143#...
Those are not my stats
Yep, my mistake...
Sounds like you are dead set on running this so I feel like I'll just be wasting my breath with any advice I may have.
No I'm not dead set on it. I was, but I've reconsidered & I'm going to treat this cycle as if it were my first & run test only. Below, is what I'm thinking. What do you think?
Week 1-16 Test C (500mg/week)Sunday & Wednesday
Week 4-18 hcg (250 iu E3D)
Week 2-22 aromasin (12.5mg EOD)
Week 19-22 clomid (50/50/25/25) ED
Week 19-22 nolvadex (40/40/20/20) ED
Week 1-22 Cycle Assist (8 caps ED)
Cut the cycle at 12 wks, 14 tops.
HCG..... no clue on that since I never really used it. Just seems like an added complication to me.
Not dosing your asin in a smart manner. Shouldn't need any until about week 4. Then I would start at 12.5mg ED to be on the safe side and get bloods taken a week or two after that dose and then adjust dose according to the bloodwork.
I would probably double your clomid doses. I don't run PCT anymore but confirm your doses there.
As far as the cycle assist, don't really see a need for it but it isn't going to hurt anything.
So, something like this? IMO the HCG will be beneficial. I'll look into the PCT dosages, but I think that's the normal protocol.
Week 1-12 Test C (500mg/week)Sunday & Wednesday
Week 4-14 hcg (250 iu E3D)
Week 4-18 aromasin (12.5mg ED)
Week 15-18 clomid (50/50/25/25) ED
Week 15-18 nolvadex (40/40/20/20) ED
That looks better. When I did PCT, I never ran nor needed an AI during PCT. I don't see the need for it during PCT.
& from what I've seen, the normal protocol for Aromasin is 12.5 mg EOD. Wouldn't ED be a little much?
The half-life of asin is too short to be taken EOD. ED dosing needs to take place. You will find out if it is too much after bloodwork, but that is a good dose to start off with without knowing anything from previous bloodwork.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/aromasin-you...
Good read. Thanks
So, what do you think, run it up to the start of my PCT?
That is all I ever did.
Did you have any bad side effects from the first cycle? Did you gets bloods to make sure you bounced back completely and everything is in order before running a new cycle? you said you did a heavy cycle first off friends say I say if you are going to consider another cycle try test only so you know how your body just reacts to test before adding extra for a second cycle.
& as I mentioned in the original post, I'll be getting bloods done in the next week or so, & I won't start another cycle until they come back normal, even if that means putting away all of the gear for a later date.
My recommendation is if you are going to consider a cycle then do it right this time and start with test only for this one.
That's what I've decided to do. Below is what I'm thinking. What do you think?
Week 1-16 Test C (500mg/week)Sunday & Wednesday
Week 4-18 hcg (250 iu E3D)
Week 2-22 aromasin (12.5mg EOD)
Week 19-22 clomid (50/50/25/25) ED
Week 19-22 nolvadex (40/40/20/20) ED
Week 1-22 Cycle Assist (8 caps ED)
I consider myself lucky that I didn't have any bad sides from my last cycle, but my bloods told a different story. I didn't run an AI, nor caber during the cycle, & I was on a Test , Deca, & Anavar cycle. My E2 was way high, & my prolactin was elevated at the end of my cycle. I did run Aromasin starting a week after my last pin through my PCT. After my PCT, my E2 had come down a lot, but was still high & my prolactin was at the high end of normal. My test was in the normal range, but at the low end. My test before the cycle was in the mid to high side of normal. I don't necessarily regret it, but I do regret not doing my homework & doing it right. I felt great & made good gains. I even retained most of those gains up to now. I was fairly bloated by the end of the cycle, due to the elevated E2, I'm sure, But I look great now. My diet is on point. I don't drink, & I smash it at the gym 5-6 days a week, (usually 5). I was spending about 2 hours a day at the gym, but I've cut that back to 1 hour, unless I'm really feeling great, & then I may push it to 1 1/2 hours. I really have my heart set on running Primo, but I'm definitely open to advice.