posted Wed, 10/29/2014 - 16:51
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Currently in week 3 doing .5ml sustanon 300 mon wed fri, so 450mg week. Experiencing sides like high pulse and insomnia. I am making gains and have a cycle log. Here is my question ti see if anyone agrees. I am thinking of changing to pinning once per week Monday of 1.2mL so about 360 mg week of test. I understand how the esters work. Sustanon was designed to work with less pins and test levels should remain high enough with once a weeek. Anyone have luck doing one shot of sust per week 250-350 mg?? Please tell me. I enjoy pinning but I.think once a week maybe all the edge I.need with this compound. I want to.relax and sleep too! 
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Changing to 2x 300 mg (mon and thur) starting next week. So hoping this will improve last 6.weeks of 10 week cycle. Posting updates in "Cycles". Thanks for all the feedback. Does anyone think HCG is even necessary with this first time test only.cycle. after 4 weeks balls still normal? I know its natural but I do have HCGenerate on hand
Here's a couple great reads.
(http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/maximizing-cycles)
(http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-do-different-esters...)
I want to reply to this up here since it was written 4 days ago and may not be looked at.
"I am going to give it one more week at mon wed fri. I am starting the ai, coq10, and valerian that will hopefully address some of the issues. I am taking more water than usual. No cutters and no preworkout needed. Though the sustanon is making me fat. Lol. If I still have issues the end of next week I will go to pin Mon and Thur. Just need to get my heart rate and resting pulse in order. Thank you"
Just want to add; Valerian is hepatoxic. Like, severely. Take it with caution, Liv52 and shit.
Also, the sustanon is not making you fat. That's water gain. Drink a gallon and a half of water a day and use water pills for a few days a week as if you were on "monthly lady cycle"
EDIT: I may be thinking of kava kava as the hepatoxic "sleep aid"
I think kava kava is the worse of the two. Here is an article about the rare risk of hepatoxicity associated with valerian and usually do to other herbs in combo. Thanks for the heads up. I was only gonna use to help with occasional restlessness. More water+Yes! And hopefully this AI will help with some of the bloat. Thanks http://livertox.nih.gov/Valerian.htm
Well then I must have missed the memo, can you explain how the esters in sustanon are designed to work in once a week injections? particularly the short ones?
Please list esters in the 300mg/blend you speak of as well
If you were to take 5 amps on wk one day one. The prop will be at 150 mg, couple days later the phenyl prop. Will be at 300 plus half the prop. So 375 now in the blood stream. Then by 5th day prop is pretty much gone and now you have 300mg isocaporate and half the phenyl. So 450mg then on the 7th day the decanoate kicks in so you should be around 600 mg. And your second injection you use only 4 amps. You can figure out the rest. It's supposed to be time release thing. That's how it was designed.
if i get some time later today i will load the info into a roid calc and show you the instability of the ester when pinned less then ED.
I know i did it once before but dont know what thread, tried to pull it using google but didnt get the eroids hit I was looking for. I did stumble across this post http://basskilleronline.com/sustanon250.html but itll be far worse with once a week regime.
It doesn't look like the basskiller example takes into account that the ester is taking up milligrams. Decanoate ester is I think 10 carbon atoms connected to the test molecule. So 100 mg test decanoate is actually 70 mg. Also what's the point of taking sustanon in the first place if your going to pin everyday? Why not just use propionate?
precisely, the OP says he is experiencing sides, likely to the rollercoaster that sust is known for, pinning once a week will make blood levels more unstable.
I 100% agree that dosing more often is always going to be better, but if done right sustanon can work once a wk (if you take enough).
Ya, he's compromising at twice a week. And doubling dose.
It was originally designed for patients that don't like pinning. Not saying it was ever a good design. You either take advantage of the short esters and use it 2 or 3 times a week or you front load it. By front loading your getting 90+ mg of prop and when that starts to drop the phenyl prop kicks in and now 180+ mg plus some of the prop, and so on. If your only dosing 150mg every 2 or 3 days your only injecting about 20 mg prop. And 40 mg phenylprop. That doesn't make as much sense. And I believe that is what he is dosing. I did all the math once and it actually makes sense either way. Not picking on you just my 2 sense. You'll be fine.
Picking on the new guy. I am no expert. I am basing it strictly on everything I have read. Anyway I am still.doing three days. Give me.some credit for I waited to do research before starting cycle.at least. Guy who sold it to me didn't even know about PCT and lost all.gains. Hell and his workouts were on the bowflex! Lol
well then dont say you know how something works when you dont.
Agreed. I need to run cycle and share how its working for me. I know that low dose of 3x a week was too rocky.
" I am basing it strictly on everything I have read." Well real life experience trumps Reading books and everyone is telling you here sust 1x a week is dumb and not optimal....So No you don't understand esters...It would be like me saying "Oh yeah I know how to drive race car's " But I have not even gotten my license....Everyone is here to help my brotha roidnoid is not picking on you dude and No one here is gonna pat you on the back for doing research that is what you are suppose to do....I dont get a high five every time I wipe my ass LoL =)
Hey kid. Before you go and say that everyone in here is saying once a week is dumb, read all the posts. Obviously not everyone in here thinks you are the expert. Are you a doctor? Young one.at that. When I.was 26 I drank my twinlab gainer shakes and took.advantage of natural test. see how yoi are doing in 13 years. And by the way I here what you are saying about the short esters and respect that. I am still pinning.3x week
AnonYes
I have run 3 ml once per week which wS 900
How did you like cycle? Was it sustanon 300?
Ya I'm sure anything over 500 a week is probably gonna work. Just would do more than 500 every 7 days at least at the beginning. Unless maybe if it's your first cycle. If you really look at the timing of all the esters, it will take a few weeks to build up to a decent level if only using 500/wk.
I have never heard of a elevated HR from Test, insomnia yes, high pulse, no. I believe theres 2 ways to take sustanon. You either front load it by taking 1,000mg or more at first injection and taper off each week as you go. Or you take it 3 times a week. I have stupidly used it at 500 mg once a week (several times) and had almost no gains, until I front loaded 5/250mg amps. And as far using PROVIRON to sleep, is adding more androgens to your cycle, how is that gonna help you sleep? Try Melatonin and maybe some benadryl when you really need it. Also check your blood pressure, you may be retaining too much water, you may need to lower your salt intake and you should be drinking a gallon of water per day at least. And don't stop your cycle so easily, I bet your just anxious.
Hey thanks! That was not my idea to add proviron. Somebody here commented it. This is a first cycle for me and will be test only. I did think about preloading but too late now. I am continuuing onward with 3x a week. I added coq10, magnesium, and valerian to my support sups. I also have 2mg ativans that work great on occasion like 1-2 times a week. My bp at the end of week 3 was great 109/76 but my rest pulse was still high at 86. I researched those supps might help with that. I am logging my cycle on here in cycles so I plan to update mid to late next week.
Well it's definitely not your blood pressure, that's good!
This is my very first.cycle so.I thought that around 500 mg test a week is good. I am up 11 pounds after 3 weeks so I do feel the stuff is working. For now I think.I should continue the 150mg mon/wed/fri for total of 450. Anyone think that 1cc 300mg 2x mon/thur would be better? Or is 600mg too much for newbie. Note: my balls haven't shrunk and I think my nat production maybe going a little.
25mg in the a.m and 25mg in the p.m
Add in 50 mg of Pharma grade Proviron, it will help you relax, get some descent sleep...these two factors plus more is what this compound was marketed for.
Thanks bro. I am going to try valerian. Don't want to add more steroids to first cycle
RustyhookerStats? Priors? Lotta missing info that matters
This is my first cycle. I am logging it here in cycles with stats
The biggest rule is listen to your body. My Dr gives me the option of Sust once a week for TRT. I like twice a week when on cycle and that's what I'm running now. I run 1400mg a week (2 cc M and Thurs)and love it. The thing I find concerning is your restlessness. I Always sleep like a baby on cycle. What's your water intake? Any cutters?
I am going to give it one more week at mon wed fri. I am starting the ai, coq10, and valerian that will hopefully address some of the issues. I am taking more water than usual. No cutters and no preworkout needed. Though the sustanon is making me fat. Lol. If I still have issues the end of next week I will go to pin Mon and Thur. Just need to get my heart rate and resting pulse in order. Thank you
drink more water, grab some blood pressure supps, take some diphenhydramine (like in most nighttime sleep aids) if necessary, not daily
3x a week is optimal but if you really want to lessen the pins, 2x a week and see how that goes first
Will do!
No you dont understand how esters work which is apparent by wanting to pin 1x a week....Pinning 3x's a week is optimal stick to it and cmon bro you can't sleep??? serious find a way dude your probably all giddy because its your first cycle calm the shit down and relax okay buddy your only on week 3 dude
He is actuality right Sust was blended for TRT at once a week
Yea It may have been made for trt by why is it that most trt patients are on test cyp maybe because they found a better way....Look test prop and test phenol Prop half life's are short and 1x a week is IN NO WAY Optimal and if it was designed for trt(Yes I do know it was designed for trt) please tell me why 90% are prescribed test cyp or enanthate =) I say this with nothing but love brotha I wish their was a way to convey something in text without sounding like a dick LoL
No one ever said it was a great design. The thing you have to realize is doctors/researchers don't care about bodybuilding. Just treating test deficiency or more importantly making money. So design a TRT drug that looks good on paper (to be convenient/inkected less often) and sell it. Of course it has to be proven work (somewhat stable w/out injecting it everyday). And of course every AAS is better injected more often even the longest esters.