Blood work Week 7
I do realize I should have gotten a panel done before the cycle and next time I will. This test was taken last Monday morning before my shot of Sust 300 after over 72 hours since last so I imagine levels are at low end for week. My goal is to switch to pfizer test cyp 300 for the last three weeks. I wanted to know what the experts think of this blood panel and whether I need to increase arimidex dose. Last couple weeeks were .5 mg twice a week and.only bloating in belly. There has been no evidence of gyno or shrunken balls. I have gained 16 pounds in 7 weeks lots of strength but belylfat too. Here are the numbers at week 7:
Testosterone total 887 ng/dl. Free testosterone 256 pg/ml. Test percent free 3.0. Sex horm bind glob 19 nmol/l. Cholesterol 138. HDL low 32. LDL 77. TRIglycerides 145. Estradiol 30.7 pg/mL. Estrone 31.9 pg/ml. Total estrogens 62.6. Thanks for looking and please give me some feedback
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Estro is good... Your gear is underdosed and cyp levels won't rise in 3 weeks...Should have done your homework... Better off running your pct, and getting better source for your next run. time plus pct = time off.
Agreed that stuff is weak and levels are not suprapysiological. However I never checked bloods before and I am making gains and levels are anabolic. So I want to finish cycle then pct. What homework didn't I do? I got a bad batch from a guy that sells to a lot of bodybuilders in northeast US. If you can bro, pm me a source you have used here. I'd like to get some GOOD TEST C OR E for a summer run. Thanks
Your gains are good. I meant that you should know that Cyp plasma levels will take longer then that to peak. It wont hurt to take it, I just don't think you realize the max benefits from it. I sent you a FR for info exchanges, I will be traveling for business but will be in and out of touch. I just moved out of the northeast now im a beach bum.
Sounds good man. I am already tired of the cold here and its not even winter. I decided to run the sust with the cyp these last few weeks. This way my plasma levels won't dip and if I notice any new gains I can assume the cyp is decent. Was thinking of 13.5 weeks cyp or e for next cycle in summer. 400mg week last week 200
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Is the Free testosterone 256pg/ml or 25.6pg/ml?
256
Everything looks good as far as estro goes with the dose you're taking now. However, your test numbers should be 2-3 times what they are with 300 mg sust per week. That gear is highly underdosed homie.
Keep in mind that the adex dose you're on is working perfectly for the amount of test in your blood. If you switch to another, accurately dosed sust, make sure to increase your adex bc your total test numbers will increase.
As for your question on the Pfizer cyp... Why would you switch like that? I would not switch it this way. Stay with the sust and save the cyp for later. The way the half life's work for each ester, it would be counterproductive to swap for cyp last 3 weeks.
Thanks a lot for the feedback! At least I got some results and is it possible that levels would have been higher later in the week? I was off for like 4 days b4 bloodtest. Also I already started the cyp so Id like to guage that. I need to find a source here for the next cycle in like 5 months and I will get bloods done first next time. I still plan to run full pct after 3 weeks on cyp. For the next time Id like to run test at a lower dose with low dose of deca, prov, anavar, or superdrol. Lean up for the next one
Dude, you're being impulsive and wasting that cyp. Your levels are gonna drop more rapidly from the sust than the rise in levels from the cyp. By the time the cyp builds up and peaks, you're gonna stop taking it. Pointless and wasteful.
No your levels will not have been much higher. A little from the prop and phenyl prop but, You should have plateaued around a couple weeks ago. That sust is garbage.
I here what you're saying. The sust is garbage but I gained 16 lbs and increased my bench by 40 pounds. If I never did bloodwork I would have said its great stuff. What do you suggest? You did say in anothee forum that transition to cyp should be smooth. There are people that run short cycles and love em.
That was for a guy with a different time frame than you. You're on what; week 8? Running 12 week cycle?
Yes that's right. At least I can do four weeks and justify a pct. If I was not traveling through tsa for holidays I would go longer. I think Id rather shitcan that sust and give the cyp a chance.
You can justify a pct now.. You're still shit down. You're not listening... I'm not gonna tell you what you wanna hear. You're wasting your gear IMO. Do what you wanna do tho.
I respect your advice. I just want to know if the cyp is good. Would it be a better option to do half and half? Or at least get one more cc of sust in mid next week since I already started cyp? Last question thank you. I am pissed that buddy talked up that source so much
Don't open a sealed bottle that your not going to finish. It's going to sit for 5-6 months with holes in it, I wouldn't bother. Is the cypionate from Pfizer? If so it should have a lot or batch # and expiration date that will have been printed on after label is applied. You can look up pics of Pfizer test cyp to compare.
If you're hell bent on running the cyp, start now, and go for a total of 16 weeks instead in 12. Frontload this week and forget the sust it's trash. Keep running your AI as is.
You said there were no lables on that gear? Bought off the street, or am I confused with another post?
Thanks brother. That was someone else. I did just post photos. Labels were put on w preprinted info and exp date. No company info. A made in usa silver seal. Bought on street but this guy is bigtime.
I'm a little confused about your comment. Maybe i read his post wrong but I didn't see a mention of trt anywhere. 300 mg of any ester is not a trt dose. In fact, low dose test cycles definitely have their place in the cycling.
The levels you're seeking there are what should be expected with about 100 mg cyp per week. Given his dose, he should be 2-3 times higher. This means underdosed gear.
Too bad I had no precycle bloods to.compare. may not be the best product but in spite of numbers I have made some serious gains in weight and strength. I have been natural and took supplements for years without these gains. Worse case was I got a nice boost. I know more for next cycle.
Last time I had bloodwork was 4-5 years ago so sorry for bad info.
Did your doc actually give you the lab report? I just read another lab result that says anywhere from 358ng to 1199ng is normal. So maybe your source isn't selling a good product.
Actually my bad, normal test levels can be up to a 1000ng so your levels are decent but not great. I think I will get blood drawn tomorrow and let u know where mine is for comparison.
Yeah it was doctor. All testosterone levels registered as high on their charts. What I don't like is my low number for good cholesterol. Anything to bring that up? I have been taking 1g of fish oil.2x maybe I should up to three? Hopefully this cyp I finish.with will be higher quality
Last time I had bloodwork. I was using a few different compounds. But total mgs/wk were about 800, my total testosterone level was a little over 1000ng. Which is about 5x more than normal levels. 887ng sounds about right but there are always slight fluctuations. When was your last dose before bloodwork?
Total testosterone number for bother your panels are significantly lower than they should be given the dosages you're taking.
Serum levels for testosterone should be approximately as follows given the respective dose & ester:
Prop: 100 mg eod = 1800 +/-
Cyp: 200 mg weekly = 2000 +/-
Enanthate: 250 weekly = 2200 +/-
These are approximations but is roughly what should be seen if your gear is dosed properly.
Nice post. Those numbers coincide with my trt dose of 125mg/wk which has me between 1000-1100
Sounds about right then. My blood was taken Monday morning and I hadn't done anything since the previous Thursday around noon. I was expecting that Sunday and Monday before shot would be at its lowest
What do you guys think of actual numbers? Strength of gear? I am almost 40 and guess the lack of sides makes me wonder a little. Not a bad thing though. Any body else get those levels on 600mg weekly sustanon? Thanks!
Whats the milligrams/cc of the longest-acting ester?
To be honest I don't know. My source on the street didn't have brand label. Just says sustanon 300 mg test with expiration date. I do know he supplies a lot of people and heard he uses pfizer or avg (which I believe is Italian). Lookin forward to finding source here because he is expensive. Paid 120 for 20ml of sust 300. And just paid 75 for 10ml of cyp 300
your levels are good and ya estrogen looks pretty low
Ok thanks. Was a little worried cause some guys were saying total test needed to be in 2000-3000 range
That's correct. Should be much higher and your e2 is not low. Normal male ranges are 10-50 pg/dl. I start getting sides at around 17-20 low side and around 45 high side. Yours is 30. Perfect.
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This is your first cycle? What are you eating? Cardio will help you with your goals, too. Lotsa good info here....lotta good guys too. You need to rework your PCT. Make sure you get bloodwork six weeks after PCT.
Right on. I WAS gonna do bloods again 6-8 weeks after pct
E2 looks good...leave adex dose as is, especially if switching to cyp the last three weeks...i suppose the test level is what it should be for sustanon....
Thanks bro. I only wondered cause I read some posts saying you want estradial closer to 15 and that test levels could rise respectively. What I need is to stop being lazy and do the cardio. Just thought maybe a little more adex would lean me up.a bit
Look into proviron to increase free test and unbind test from SHBG...
You want estradiol to be between 30-40. Are your joints feeling okay? You arent achy are you? Cardio is good...look into HIIT if you can tolerate it.
Guess the numbers are good and there is no point in more adex? Joints are good. My running sucks now though. Calves get too pumped and feel fat on treadmill. I could try some sprint/walk hiit cardio and I can tolerate 30mn on eliptical after lifts. Just need the time. Proviron and anavar were steroids I looked at. Just worry about hepatoxicity w orals.
Your adex dose is adequate. Everbody is different and i think you have yours dialed in well, especially since you say you feel okay. Yes...eliptical is good. TUDCA is good for methylated orals. Provi and var have low levels of hepatoxicity. Provi is good with every cycle.
Thanks for the help. My diet is not the greatest but I do eat enough protein and supplement with some quality gainer shakes. I know what I need to.do but sometimes.I.get so.hungry lately I am like screw it Chinese or burger king. What don't.you like about my pct? Is it lack of clomid? Through what I.researched and how I.feel I think nolva should be enough this time. As a.newbie I am trying to keep number of.compounds to a minimum.to see what body does and does not.tolerate
Yes..lack of clomid...you really need both.
Yes..lack of clomid...you really need both.
Well I can get it if I need it. That stuff can f up your vision and cause some nasty hormonal sides. Personally don't like sound of it. Appreciate all yoir feedback though. I also hear a lot of yays and nays regarding hcg. I think if I was runnning a longer stronger cycle that might be necessary as well
Toremifene may be a better option than clomid. Hcg is used when you cycle 19-nors. It really only improves testicular volume. Clomid made my vision blurry too.
Thanks bro