+ 1 Spring Cutter Rough Draft ( advice is welcome)
I have ran 4 cycles. My stats are in my profile. I ran a variation of this cycle last year and I used Test E, Tren Ace and Mast P, Proviron, and Var. I used the short esters last time in case of sides. I had no problem with Tren ran at half the dose of Test. I am now wondering about doing the reverse with high Tren and a lower Test dose. I take Liv 52, Vitamin C, Triphala, Glucosamine, MSM, Fish oil, and a multi - vitamin daily. I am also prescribed Finsteride which helps with DHT. I am open to suggestions to dosing and additions and/ or subtractions. Thanks Y'all.
Revision:
Weeks 1-3 Test P 100 EOD
Weeks 1-3 Tren A 150 EOD ( I have 75mg/ml vials)
Weeks 1-3 Mast P 100 EOD
Weeks 1-15 Test E 250 Weekly
Weeks 1-15 Tren E 400 Weekly
Weeks 1-15 Mast E 400 Weekly
Weeks 6-15 Anavar 50 ED
Weeks 1-15 Caber 1mg Weekly
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angusI've run test/tren in many different configurations and I have found that my body responds best to running my test at 60% of Tren. So my preferable ratio is 3:5. You will have to do some experimentation to find out what works best for you.
Thanks for the reply. I am gonna play with the numbers and try to dial it in. I see there is no cookie cutter answer to my question. It will be up to my body. I will have an arsenal of ancillary on hand to help with sides.
Because I am playing around with ratios here. Did you read my post??? I said I ran tren at half my test dose last year. I have heard respected members talk about a 2:1 tren to test ratio and I was curious. I appreciate your input, but I don't think you had a grasp on what I was talking about.
AnonMore people seem to respond better to low test and higher tren with less side effects & since they compete for the same receptor sites the less test in your system the better it is for gains.
However there are also a lot of people like me ( probably not a majority but a large number ) that have to run test higher than tren or face severe side effects.
For me arrhythmia, insomnia, waking up soaking wet in a pool of my sweat every night, aggression, nightmares, high BP, increased heart rate, heartburn...... to name a few.
that's not teaching people to do there own research mate.
Anongood point....
??? obviously this cycle is out of your league bro, I think you should do some research on trens binding affinity versus test, then maybe you might consider retracting your statement.
It might be out of mine as well. LOL I wrote a revised cycle down below in reply to Vike. It basically equally all.the doses evenly and are low mg. Your thoughts?
AnonI think since you are already experimenting still with tren dosages dropping anavar might be a good idea, why add another factor into an already advanced equation? I'm not convinced it would cause any issues or anything, I'm just not seeing the point with the tren/mast already in the mix I guess.
For me personally running tren higher than test = COMPLETE FUCKING DISASTER even with lower doses tried with short esters
I did 500 test E / 400 tren E and even still the sides were up there with being out of breathe sweating like crazy at night etc. I added in 25mg prop EOD for the latter part of that cycle and felt much better less negatives within days - but also noticed it took away slightly from the positives. For me more test = worse gains but less side effects.
I'm won't ever use tren again personally, that shit is something else .Good luck though
RustyhookerEver consider simple prop/mast/var ?
9 week short esters?
RustyhookerIf you blend the pip is minimal. Small pins keeps pin soreness at bay. Ive gone 12Weeks before. Was very happy to be done pinning by then. Lol! Length is easier if closer to goal size of course. Going past 10 Weeks it's usually easier to use long ester with shorts as kickers. Just a different option. Tren gave me a long pct.. Pharma grade pct if i decide tren again.
I love hitting Muta's Test E 500 and .25 cc per week for TRT. Right in the delts like butter. LOL My issue is that I have a bottle of Tren E 200 and 2 Tren Ace 75's that are burning a hole in my pocket. LOL
RustyhookerWith tren e, definitly pick vikes brain. That would be my first go to. My buddy just went to nationals. Loves tren e better than ace. He says ace makes him aggro. But guess thats the odd part of every roid is it hits us differently.
I proposed a revision down below where my mg's are about the same as test and test being a TRT dose. I'm not hard headed so I will listen to sound advice
LOL.
Hey Vike,
How have you been old friend? Glad to see I still make you laugh. LOL I am revising my OP to show a proposed cycle. My bad. Please critique. Thanks
That layout is readable for me now thanks........... that my bro is a FKN BEAST of a cycle you sure you have the exp to control that?..... not fuckin with you bro but seriously that is what i class as a " high factor control run"
That is why I posted it here. I love the community to chime in on things like this. I have ran this cycle last year but with short esters and with tren at half the test dose. I like the cycle as a whole, but am debating on the tren to test ratio. I absolutely trust your advice Vike and will take what you say as golden.
See i run fine on a 50/50 test/tren ratio but others dont so its going to have to be your self exp which becomes the deciding factor here i think bro...... pointless me saying hey swap your ratios and it dont work with you.... clarify for me please is this your first time with tren E brother...... because it is a totally different animal than tren A
How about this revision?
Weeks 1-3 Test P 50 EOD
Weeks 1-3 Tren A 75 EOD ( I have 75mg/ml vials)
Weeks 1-3 Mast P 50 EOD
Weeks 1-15 Test E 250 Weekly
Weeks 1-15 Tren E 200 Weekly
Weeks 1-15 Mast E 200 Weekly
Weeks 6-15 Anavar 50 ED
Weeks 1-15 Caber 1mg Weekly
This would essentially cut my mg's down by 50% on the mast and tren to match my test dose equally
I can see what your trying to do, kicking the longs in with the shorts, but there is obviously a reason viking hasn't came back, its a lot of juice, with a lot of potential sides, heavy dht, heavy tren, then you whack anavar in at the end? why cant you make it more simple? are you a professional bodybuilder?
No I'm not. I loved running these compounds together last year and wanted input on ratios. I might just stick with the same cycle as last time. I like trying new things. I was just trying to pin less through out the whole cycle by putting long esters in. Pinning EOD for 15 weeks is a bitch. LOL
You could possibly frontload with those long esters and do away with the shorts as another option to avoid all the pinning.
well that's what I was getting at, whats the rush? its a huge amont off pinning either way, even with just long esters, I sent you a fr.
You always bring up some critical points.
What are your feelings on Oral Tren? Is there any comparison to tren A or E?
I am not in the tren market, and have never used, but perhaps for Odin there could be a benefit?
Yes. This will be my first Tren E cycle. I did Tren Ace last year
Just be aware it can be a whole different ball game tren a to tren e. I can run high dose tren a without issue, whereas even moderate doses of tren e make me feel like a pile of shit.
I would rather be conservative and not have a bad experience. I have always had very successful cycles because of all the advice and research I have done on these forums. What would you suggest as a first time Tren E dose and to what ratio of Test? Thanks for the advice.
To be honest I wouldn't use tren e on a cutter anyway.
Fr sent, I got a question for ya about the finasteride
FR accepted
A cycle normally consists of the AAS and ancillaries, not the supplements, save yourself some time and post just those because like fit said those supplements have nothing to do with the aas or ancillaries and only cause you carpel tunnel syndrome
I feel ya. I was just brainstorming my thoughts. Sounded good at the time. I have revised my OP