+ 3 Shock your system!! VETS ONLY!
So I've been talking to a couple friends, both of whom are seasoned veteran bodybuilders! They have some interesting theories on how to get the most out of your compounds! I'll keep it short and sweet. Basically the theory is, those of us who have run just about every compound there is, after so long your body just adapts to them and in turn to need higher and higher doses. We know this is true. The longer we run, the less effective the same old doses are. So these guys will run their test base with a long ester, and run short esters along side it. The kicker is ,they change the short ester compounds every 4 weeks. For example!
Week 1-4: NPP /100mg/day with 1G of test E.
Weeks 5-9: Mast P/100mg/day with 1G of test E
Weeks 10-14: Tren a/100mg/day with 1G of test E
I kept it simple but the example I was given, the guy ran EQ with the test e as well. I'm trying to simplify it a little more.
Then they follow with their TRT dose for 4-8 weeks and start again. They say they incorporate orals and GH (which seems to be an important factor that I need to research) but the basic principle of this theory is very interesting to me. If this is truly what these guys are doing it seems to be working for them. They're gigantic men! Does anyone run this way? Is this the answer for the Guys who's bodies have adapted to these compounds? For me personally ,I think there's something to it. I know that after 4 weeks on tren a, I basically plateu. So when I reach that plateu, is it going to benefit me to drop the tren and run something else like primo a, mast p, NPP ,etc? Thoughts?
THIS IS WAY OUTSIDE THE CYCLE GUIDELINES SO I ASK THAT NEWBS DON'T ATTEMPT TO TRY THIS! I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR EXPERIENCED USERS LET ALONE NEWBS!
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I'm going to start logging the results from this. I currently running long esters which I'll stop soon (other than the test) and i'll start blasting first with NPP. Everyone loves nandrolone. I don't typically get the harsh sides from 19-nors so I think I'm ok. If I can handle huge amounts of tren then nandrolone should be cake. I'll switch from nandro to Masteron prop, from mast to primo a. That will complete the blasting phase. I'll give it a rest 4-8 weeks and blast tren a followed by bold acetate. We'll see! I have a feeling this will work out beautifully. I'm almost afraid to make posts like this because of the swarm of newbs around here so I'll stress this again.
ANY AND EVERYTHING I SAY IN THIS THREAD IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THE BEGGINER, THE NOVICE, ANYONE YOUNGER THAN 35, ANYONE WHO HAS NOT EXPERIENCED EVERY COMPOUND ALREADY AT LEAST ONCE OR ANYONE WHO ISN'T A DEDICATED, DISCIPLINED BODYBUILDER! PLEASE PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID! IF YOU TAKE THIS AMD RUN WITH IT CHANCES ARE YOU WILL HURT YOURSELF PERMANANTLY!! THIS POST IS FOR VETS ONLY!
this would be great for my second cycle...i can't wait to try
(totally kidding jk jk lol)
The point to this kind of cycling is not about changing the short esters every 4wks unless you change to a ateroid woth a different MOA.
The best way to prevent stagnating for advanced users is to switch between AR mediated and non AR mediated steroids, IE: switching between class l and class ll steroids.
Taking test as your base for say a 16wk cycle you would switch your stack of other compounds every 4wks, but switching from a mainly AR mediated steroid to another AR mediated steroid will have little benefit.
We aren't talking about cycling! We're talking about blasting short esters. If yiu read my post below, after 3-4 weeks tren becomes ineffective. So i see no point in running longer. Are u sayiong I should continue on with it anyway for another 6-8 weeks? Why not change it up? Bold ace, primo ace, mast p, npp,?
So you see no benefit in this?
Ok with that said. If the objective is good clean mass, obviously I'll incorporate tren a. I'm a whore for tren but which other compounds do you prefer in short esters. I know a hand full of guys here swear by NPP. Most love primo a. What about mast p, or bold acetate? Is there any specific pattern or order you would follow with a blast like this?
Use them all brother... why not! depends how long you plan on running the cycle but you could use each for a 2wk period, all shorts so all good for shock tactics! no waiting on esters you are ON from the fist pin.
tread-mYup yup...was talking to Nitti earlier and while not real specific to encourage these 19 yr old Nooklets I run sometimes even 2 primary longs bouncing shorts in and out and often no rhyme or reason for the average thought process. I have got myself more and more away from considering compounds as "bulk" or " cut" and allow the food to control those desires. So I may have used 5 compounds in a 20 week run with maybe test and eq or test and deca as the primaries. The only one I think I am spoiled to is the tren ace in that it is so goal specific. Yes, I seem to be able to add with it if diet is huge but nothing slices you up like ace if wanting to drop carbs and get wicked ugly vascular. Damn it! I may pin some today if we don't stop this I'm getting excited here!
Exactly bro... you nailed it again by bringing the diet back into the mix!.. that controls everything and every goal imo... running this way is purely advanced but must be used hand in hand with advanced nutritional tactics also... if the nooklets tried this theory they would ultimatly fail due to not having a firm understanding of the basics.. has tons of posts prove this fact.
I'm with you. I'm a tren a whore! Love the shit! But I need to switch it up every few weeks. I hit a wall when I run it. I'm going with this blasting shorties thing! I'm starting right now. I have a pin full of mast p in my ass right now, lol
AnonIf you look at a lot of the seasoned vets cycles as well as pro cycles, you will see that this is the ONLY way they cycle. Even if you consider what we know to be true about the way the body adapts to training, diet, rest, and in this case cycling, you can only come to the conclusion that shocking the system is the way to stimulate growth and or change. You can think of it in terms of plateaus.. we plateau because the body/system has adapted to what is being presented to it, in order to break the plateau we change something. I have been approaching most of my cycles this way however, this is the first cycle I have really put the theory into practice and my growth has been astounding. I won't say this is necessary for everyone and quite often in the beginning basic cycles work absolute wonders.
Are we cool to talk advanced here grrrl.... i know to late its already written lol glad it works for you too... proves we are all still on a constant learning curve where our compounds and dosages are concerned.
AnonAbsolutely nothing wrong with talking about advanced stuff..lol.. I got a fancy delete button that makes things go bye bye. I don't use it often .. ;p
Learning is like a lot of other things, if you stop then you are dead.
wise words indeed
AnonI m old now remember ;p
Just for the record, I did take that into account. I debated on whether I should keep this private or just post. I think there are enough vets here that it's fair to post. I laid out the warning label
I think we are cool bro grrrl is involved here so i think we are good it would be locked already lol.
So someone like me (you're familiar with my experience) , is this something you'd say would benefit me? Thank you for the input by the way
Anonconsidering your experience yes, I would like to see you run something like this. I think you will be amazed at the progress you will make.
I agree with that theory bro never letting the body get used to the same stuff and constantly forcing receptors to pick up hormone... my 52 week year consists of 2 x 20wk blasts and 2 x 6wk cruises, the winter blast is pretty solid longs but this summer one i am nearly finishing as comprised a mixed bag of compounds run for differing lengths to ultimately get ripped for a show in oct.. good news is that the experiment worked i am holding well now at 234lb running just under 8% BF so thats a zero weight loss but a BF drop of just over 4% so that to me is quality gaining at my age and at this stage in the game,so in my eyes the theory is a must do and i will be employing it again for the next season... best thing is not having to keep using massive dosages to get the full effects that we got years ago.
Beautiful stuff! Thank you Viking! I want to avoid the huge doses if I can. I already close to a gram of test as a base when I run cycles. I think implementing this theory will push me over the edge! Time to dip into the GH as well!
NITTI IS BACK!... BIGGER AND BETTER BEFORE! ... lol lock up your daughters this man is an animal lmao!
Glad you are enjoying the cycle brother..keep me posted ok.
Thank you bro! You guys all helped pick my ass up! Ohh I'm feelin pretty good!
lol you just negged me with that big thumb bro lmao!
Lmao!! You silly bastiid!