Second Cycle Advice
What's happening my eroids family!!! I hope everyone had a good holiday. So it's been almost 4 months since I finished my first cycle of 12 weeks of test e 500/per week. I have been able to retain 60% of my gains. Thanks to everyone on eroids who gave me such great support and made my first ever cycle a success. I have recently done a blood test and everything looks normal. With that being said I am ready to start planning for my second cycle. I was thinking of doing the following;
Test E 1-18 weeks at 600mg/week
EQ 1-18 weeks at 600mg/ week
Test prop 1-4 weeks at 200mg/ week
PCT : Novla/ Clomid
Hcg and adex on hand.
Please let me know your thoughts! I would grately appreciate any input! Wish you all a very happy new year! Cheers!
PS: current weight 200lbs, BF: 13%, Age:25
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Anonfor the longest time, the consensus was one compound at a time. the reasoning behind this IMO is to allow for the experience of each individual one. they will all exhibit unique characteristics and will affect the hormonal balance in their own respective ways.
now, back to the "add one at a time" ideal... you're first cycle was perfect! thing to consider here would be that, although test prop is still test, which is technically the same compound, it's role in the body will differ slightly. this ester will allow for levels to spike and drop much more quickly. eod pinning is of course necessary for stability. but it is during these peaks that you will experience slightly different effects. prop has a higher aromatization rate than enan does, so e2 levels should be tended to a little more quickly.
eq is a good compound, but for the second cycle, i'd rather see you sticking with test only and playing with the two esters. give yourself a chance to experience the effects of manipulating the test only cycle, as well as the sides associated during the kick and taper. save the eq for the second cycle.
a couple questions that i think are appropriate are:
1) what are your goals
2) what size pins do you have or planning to get
these are important bc we want to make sure you will get there with your cycle. we also want to make sure you have the proper pins and know how to rotate sites for eod pinning.
Bro I am looking for a more leaner bulk. My first cycle was great but I feel had a bit of water weight. Hence I was thinking of adding EQ.
I will be using or plan to use 23G x 1 pins. And rotate between the two quads and shoulders!
AnonThis goal can be achieved with test only. It's all about the test dose and AI for water retention. And the goal can be reached with proper training and diet.. Running 500+ on Enan and you can expect water brother.
Pins:
1.5", 23g for glutes
1", 25g for quads and delts.
You need to go deeper than 1" into that glute. It's a big muscle plus has a layer of fat tissue over it. 1" pins and you'll get knots. Smaller muscles like the quad and delt need a smaller pin. You can go 23g if you want but a 25 will help reduce pip. As for the depth.. They are smaller and closer to the surface than the glutes. 1.5" is too deep there.
Anonremember:
more is not better
Well, I can tell you right now that you are going to get alot of chiming in about running another test cycle with a kick of prop or an oral of sorts, and technically I would tend to agree.
As for the above mentioned cycle thoughts though, you need to drop the EQ before the test and you can also run the EQ at 800mg instead of 600mg, test at 600 though. And if you are running the prop the first four weeks for a kick at 200mg/wk, then you need to look into that more cause that isn't a whole lot of prop and I also fell you could run a prop kick for more like 6 weeks on an extended test/EQ cycle like this. Maybe frontload too?
Needs some work here.
Anoni am starting to like the idea of frontloading more and more lately. as long as the compound is frontloaded correctly to allow a quick spike and maintained levels for the remaining duration.
Yeah, I should've done it this time around but I didn't. Those first couple shots of a long ester after a lay-off and for me it's like getting virgin pip all over again, AND THEN doubling the dose for the first two...good god, lol. I am so afraid of banging my quads again because of the weird swelling reaction I got at the beginning of this cycle...all my other sites I was g2g, IDK WTF happened, but I don't feel like testing the waters right now. Alternate between my glutes before I start hitting the shorts again here at the end.
AnonI hear ya. I've actually never pinned my delts or quads. Idk how I don't have knots or a ton of scar tissue. EOD to e3d pinning all glutes... Next cycle is brutal tho, so I'm gonna have to rotate. My glutes can handle 2 cc of anything. I'm front loading the eq first two weeks. Those will def be goin in the glutes!
I hit my delts, lats, and even my pecs for short esters. I wanna begin trying my tris, my buddy/co-worker said its great, lol. Yeah, you gotta get those rotations man...start giving the delts and quads a shot...maybe your quads will be golden, some people are good like that. I know my delts are sweet...never any pain really, just like my lats. check out www.siteinjections.com
that's helped me alot in the past, it's actually a GPZ website, like the accessory shop on here
AnonThanks bro. I think it's spotinjection.com actually... I was thinking of using slin pins for my delts. I've heard 5/8" will work but I worry that's too short. I usually tell ppl 1", 25g for both quads and delts. You think 5/8" will cut it or just stick with the 1"?
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinklol, yeah...spot-injections...my bad
Ya know what's funny, you click on it and it still takes ya there...weird?
I use 5/8 for delts, pecs, lats...you can hit your quads with 5/8 too. I'm fairly fatless though, even when I am bulking. Typically, delts and quads don't really have too much fat on them though...give it a shot. I like it better than 1"...can't really give you a reason why but that I hardly feel the shot at all.
Thank you bro! Def going to work on this and fix it! Really appreciate the input!