Really just need advice.
Hey there fellas. I'm at a sticking point. First cycle was about 3 years ago was Test E 600/week for 12 weeks and dbol 50mg/day for first 4 weeks. Had proper pct of Nolva and Clomid. 2nd Cycle was the same except i changed out Test E for Test C, and lowered dbol and added a test prop kicker and taper of 100mg eod for first and last 4 weeks.
Im not a huge fan of dbol being a type 1 diabetic it threw my numbers off a little. So I've been planning things out for my next one and i was gonna run test/deca/anadrol. But now I'm thinking its almost summer and i don't wanna be coming off in summer time, so i was gonna switch it to test/eq/tbol and run it all the way through summer (except tbol obviously). and all this researching can get soooo overwhelming with people who hate eq love deca, love eq hate deca, hate anadrol, tbol did nothing for them, blah blah blah. now i don't know what to do, what are your suggestions? don't have a huge goal in mind, just wanna be a jacked monster. i'm 30, 225lbs, pretty solid. diet is in check at around 4000 cals a day, will clean it up a lot when on gear.
Test Deca anadrol sounds appealing just from the pure size and strength, but i don't like the appeal of bloat and watery, moon face etc. I know i need aromasin and caber for that cycle. and a good pct with hcg nolva and clomid.
Test EQ and tbol sounds good just for the tight hard lean gains, plus a long eq cycle will last me almost through summer. Any help would be great, thank you guys so much!
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I feel like i wanna get my feet wet with deca. Bad idea to mix with drol? Have caber and will run aromasin, just get a good deal on drol
Only 2 cycles and you want to jump in with a 19-nor. Bad move. You will probably end up with more than wet feet with deca, you will drown.
How come? I've done the research, have the ancillaries, have pct lined up right, and have already done test at 600 and 750mg a week, I've also done dbol with it and done test prop kicker and finisher. Is it really not normal for someone to add a second injectable on third cycle?
Its that you're adding a 19-nor (Nandrolone and Tren).
So u think 19-Nors are no good for someone with 2 full cycles under their belt. I just feel like I'm already at 750 test and an oral id rather add something and have some synergy rather than just adding tons of oil like eq I've heard so many people say its a waste of money
The only issues I've had with steroids have happened with 19-nor compounds. They can be problematic for some and cause heavy shutdown. No one says you have to use eq. I think it is a waste of money and can really sky rocket hematocrit levels. You don't even have to have a third compound - more is not better. If you're set on deca, just have your ducks in a row and money set aside if you need more blood work or an AI is bunk.
I think you are trying to rely on the gear too much. Already at 750mg test + orals and only your second cycle. More AAS does not necessarily mean more gains. If your diet and training are up to par there is absolutely no reason for you to be taking that much gear this early in your cycling career. Take a step back and reassess your training and diet before adding more AAS into the equation.
Why do u keep saying second. It's my 3rd cycle.
Do u feel eq is bad for a third being not a 19 nor?
No Tren bro its your second cycle and you wanna play with Tren? Dont jump into Tren right away bro.
Anyone else
honestly you need a goal, and we all want to get huge. Throwing up three cycles and saying pick one isn't the way it works.
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Hey Friend.
3 years since last cycle, don't want bloat, have proper knowledge of pct and AI. With the 3 year lapse I would say nice and easy test E and maybe mast e with Proviron, It will help keep the water down and if your diet and training is on point you should be good. Eat, Grow and fuck like a pornstar. Just my humble opinion.
so its one of these three, all different. lol
test 750/week for 14 weeks, deca 500/week for 12 weeks, anadrol 50/day for first 4. caber on hand, aromasin at 12.5 throughout, pct start two weeks after last test shot, standard nolva clomid hcg.
Test 600/week for 18 weeks, eq 600/week for 16 weeks, tbol 60mg/day first 4 weeks, aromasin 12.5 throughout, pct start 2 weeks after last test pin, standard nolva clomid hcg
Or something totally different, like a rip blend for summer (test p, tren a, mast) or test p/npp, no oral, aromasin 12.5 throughout for as long as i can hack it, maybe 10-12 weeks, start pct 2 days after last test pin. have caber on hand.
i realize all will help with different goals, but i really don't have a goal, i just wanna get huge, and am ok with keeping bodyweight the same and just re comping over summer.
Why not run some Proviron with it, to increase your free test, that's what I'm running right now.
I like 500 test C with 800 eq
the thing is EQ and deca are not cheap like test, so i don't wanna dump a grand on a cycle and have it be not what iw as looking for, like people claim with eq, but id not want to be a bloated balloon either. damn this is tough
Good you're aware that you'll bloat. We have very similar stats (nvm thought you were 6'0"), if you're bf is correct.
I get huge on deca. The water is noticeable but nothing too drastic. Deca is a compound that causes me issues with prolactin and e2 control. For me, it's worth the it but costs me a couple hundred in more blood work, if I start to experience trouble.
You're goal would be easier with short esters. A test prop cycle would be a better idea than deca. It's more pinning but most can handle it. Test prop and turinabol is what I'm on for summer.
First cycle was 3 years ago, last one was about 6 months ago
My last cycle I ran an Eq blend with Test E and got great gains. Ran it for 19wks. At the 5-6wk mark I began to get un controllable hunger. Week 6 my vascularity was amazing. For me EQ is a great choice. Its slow and steady with little sides, but my diet was definitely on point so I got the results I wanted. I would suggest an EQ over Deca due to sides. Not a big 19nor fan. If you do decide to run Deca make sure to have Prami or Caber bro, you dont want prolactin sides (spraying milk out your nips).
i have no problem with patience, i'm thinking test e 750/week for 16-18 weeks, eq at 600/week for 14-16weeks, and tbol kicker weeks 1-4. or do i go full mass and test 750/week for 14 weeks, deca 500/week for 12 weeks, and anadrol 50mg/day for first 4
I've literally read everywhere that eq does NOTHING, then i read its great, then i read it doesn't compare to deca, ya know its just a lot of info to process, don't know where to turn
RustyhookerWell, if you're not wanting to bloat then you definitely dont need mega test.
RustyhookerMaybe just keep it simple. Eq is patience. You've ran quick acting strength stacks before . You can run the calender so your "on" 12 Weeks of summer with 2 Weeks finish. Simple eat and grow. Staying lean is purely foods. Mast e and test e is dry, less hassle and simple. Or test e with var finish if bf is down.
i'm just really stuck and don't wanna keep waiting i want to get on the horse! lol i at least wanna get my order in so i have it all. just need help deciding. in reality i guess you have to do things to see how everything works for YOU. but i just don't know what to do next lol.
Sounds like you've done some decent research bro. I have done both cycles and loved them both. Def less of the sides you were describing about the deca with the eq. Eq really gave me no extreme sides unless you want to count hunger. Lol With that being said I didn't get the gains I did with deca either. The other idea if you don't mind pinning eod is npp. Less sides and still great gains. Only downside is less pinning. You may still get sides, don't get me wrong, but they should be less harsh than with deca. Good luck bro in whatever you decide to do
this caused me to look at short esters, like test p and npp, i guess the pinning eod doesn't bother me, so i guess i could stay on it for 12 weeks without having to use an oral as a kicker. any ideas?
I ran npp for the first time last winter and I love it! Planning on running another lean bulk cycle here real soon with it again. Never ran deca so can't give you any advice on that but have ran eq, had minimal gains on it although my hunger did shoot through the roof on it. I'd look into npp, gives a nice fullness to your muscles, great size and strength gains and I stayed fairly lean on it (not much blaot at all), even when using dbol as a kick start. Also you can pin npp every third day I ran it with test e so only had to pin three times a week
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