4th cycle help a brother out
Ok guys i've been off for about 4 months now, time to start thinking about whats next. i've maintained weight pretty well, maybe lost about 5-10lbs since my cycle. sitting ok at 215. only noticeable difference is vascularity is down and hardness which should be expected. strength has plateau'd also. as in my bio i'm 31, 215lbs and 5'9 isn. this will be my 4th cycle and haven't had bad sides with others, this is the cycle i really want to make the most of so diet will be main concern with this one. 1st cycle was test at 600mg/week and dbol at 50mg per day, aromasin at 12.5 per day. it was 12 weeks and the pumps from the dbol made my gym sessions suck (lower back pumps). but i gained roughly 10 solid lbs and strength was awesome, i was playing with 315 bench for reps when before i could barely use 275. 2nd cycle was the same except i used geneza products and switched from test e to test c, and i used all dbol before workout and also used test p as a jumper. same results. 3rd was the same except i used 750 test e, deca at 500, and used anadrol at 50 pre workout, back pumps were even worse, but increased test really blew me up and deca put my sex drive through the roof along with strength, only problem was my LDL was low, which i fixed using fish oil at 6 grams per day. this cycle i want to keep water and bloat to a minimum, and really concentrate on a long hard cycle lasting the whole summer starting now (april). i was considering 600 test/600 eq, and var to start AND finish. also considering adding GH at 4iu per day. i would like this cycle to last at least 16-20 weeks. using aromasin daily and nolva and clomid for pct which is what i used before. what do you guys think? i'm open to anything, do you think the gh is necessary? its really expensive, thanks fellas
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I run eq 20 weeks I do a prop taper and then pct. Pct starts 25 days after last Eq pin. 5 days after last prop pin. This is what my endo has me do and she's never missed... Long runs like this are getting tougher for me to bounce back from but I have a dr helping me. Remember to donate. Get bloods run. If you don't know what your looking at with the bloods data we have some great guys on here that can help you. Be safe man. Good luck
Thanks for all the great responses. No I ran both the dbol and drol for 5 weeks. Felt better on drol but appetite was a problem and felt like shit on both. Mild Orals from now on. Yeah I don't have 2 grand or more for pharma gh. so I was thinking 16 wkd eq at least 600 mg/ week, test e 16 weeks 600mg/ week, var 60 mg/ day first and last 4 weeks, and taper last 2 weeks with prop, aromasin 12.5/ day throughout and typical nolva/ clomid 40/40/20/20, clomid 100/100/50/50 for pct.
AnonI think you would be better off running a test prop kick for the first 4 weeks and save the var for the last 6 weeks of the cycle.
If you are going to stop your test e and eq at the same time you are going to need more than a 2 week prop taper. I would go 4 week taper since eq can take awhile to clear. So something like
Weeks 1-4: Test prop 100mg eod
Weeks 1-16: Test e 600mg/week
Weeks 1-16: EQ 600mg/week
Weeks 14-20: Var 60mg/day
Weeks 16-20: Test prop 100mg eod
Dont tell me you ran dbol for 12 weeks straight?
It seems you aren't dieting right to me. I say this because my first cycle I gained almost 25lbs..some water weight and a little I lost throughout pct but I'm thinking you aren't eating enough. Cycling is awesome, but if you aren't going to eat in way of your goals it's useless. If you don't want the water weight, no dbol. I hate that stuff, makes me look like a damn blowfish. Anavar along with any other oral isn't designed to be ran for 16-20 weeks. I'd say 8 is good and 10 is pushing it, although I know you see differently around here. So maybe after the first 6-8 weeks start the anavar. If you get good anavar you'll see those similar painful pumps as you did on dbol, at least I do when I get the good shit. Eq sounds like the perfect compound for your long run and the goals you want. You won't get much bloat and you'll get nice lean gains that'll make your swimsuit body more desirable. I would consider even a bit lower on the test, 450-500. That's just my personal opinion though, I like my eq higher because I start to get ripped the fuck up. Youve got a good idea going here, make sure you keep planning it out. Post up your entire cycle in the "cycle logs" section and you'll get some feedback. You can post the link here if you'd like and we'll come check you out. This way youhave all the doses, weeks, compounds, pct, etc. right there for us all to see. Good luck, and be safe my friend. This is a marathon not a sprint.
Two things I forgot to touch on, if you do opt for EQ it's very important to go donate blood. You'll feel great after. The second, is your questions about hgh. I've ran generics and pharma. Currently on generics myself and let me tell you something..if you don't have the cash to go pharma don't even bother with gh. The results are awesome and if it's feasible on your budget, by all means there's some great sources here with pharma grade stuff. Don't waste your money on anything else. I've gotten good generics however it isn't worth the risk. Hope any of this helped. Have a happy Easter.
Great points BG
The test is going to be either eth or cyp I take it? The dosages seems fine and the duration for 20 weeks would be ideal for the eq as this compound takes so long to become really effective and it's just a fact of inject it and forget about it, you could stop your test eth / cyp at around 15 weeks and then bridge onto test prop for the last 5 weeks while adding in the var at around 50 mg per day split over two dosages and still running the eq for the full 20 weeks.
Starting your pct about a week after your last prop injection.
In ref to GH ...don't waste your money if your only running it for 16 weeks.... 6 months min to get the best results and go pharma as generic isn't worth a penny in my opinion.
Hope this helps and good luck
This isnt true. U can't start your pct a week after you stop your prop. Eq takes like 28 days to leave your system. He can't run prop to week 20 then run his eq to week 20. His eq would be in his system the whole pct. More idea would be run test for 17weeks eq for 16 weeks then a 3 week prop taper and all the long esters would be out of his system but I will add long cycles like this can be hard to bounce back from
Cheers fella for putting me right, just trying to guide him in the right sort of direction...plus one for not being a wanker about I'm incorrect post
No bro it's great getting different perspectives and happy Easter to u and your family
To you and yours also fella
ironhustler84Edit brand names out homie, against the rules..
Its summer now bro..hit some low test high mast and high var....unless you plan on stepping on stage id leave the 19nors, hgh and veterinary steroids out...
Test prop
Mast prop
Anavar
!SHREDDED!
Or if you really wanna bulk use high dose of sustanon with some anadrol 50 and proviron to add a bit of anabolism and cut anadrol water weight. I blow up on sust everytime. .