Possible EQ cycle
Hello all, I've recently updated my stats, not a significant change from previously. I have completed one cycle, Test E @250 mg per week for ten weeks. Everything went well with the cycle, lost some body fat, and had a good increase in strength. I chose the lose dose for the first go around mainly because I was concerned about sides, and wanted to see how my body would react. Got bloods done a month after PCT, total test was slightly lower than it was before I started the cycle, but I felt good, and let's face it, at my age my total test probably isn't going to increase, so based on the numbers, I feel I recovered well. I'm planning on starting my second cycle this winter, going to do Test E again, this time @ 500 mg per week. I will say that my diet could have been better during the 1st cycle, so that is something I'm putting a lot of time into researching and building a good diet. On to my question.... I'm already researching my 3rd cycle, I'm wanting to add EQ to a Test E cycle. I have read a lot about the dangers, and positive effects of EQ, and was just wanting to hear other people's experiences as far as blood donation times, how much their BP elevated, along with hemocrit levels. And when in the cycle did these things become a problem? Now, I'm not dead set on running EQ, it's just something I have been kicking around in my head. I realize that EQ is recommended to run for 16 weeks minimum, and if some of the vets don't think it's appropriate for a third cycle, please tell me why. I'm still learning this game. All advice is welcome.
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WTF is going on lads... am I missing something, or what?! Why are people co-signing any cycle for this lad? This guy is not taking advice and hurting himself
OP; I read as far as:
Well fella, if you haven't gotten back to where you were, you didn't recover, did you? Your bloods say no.
But guess what... your bloods were not good before you started your cycle and you did nothing about it.
In fact, you came on to eroids to post bloods 7 months ago (I commend that, of course), got a load of high 5's and only 1 person really called it as it is... your bloods were 'not ideal' before starting a cycle. And now, post cycle, you've not even recovered to the 'not ideal' levels you were at previously (this means you have possibly disrupted your HPGA or maybe done some damage)
Now you want to go again and at higher doses, and keep pushing natural test lower? You are 36 yo ffs man (you're a fkn young man not an OAP, STOP PRETENDING OTHERWISE TO GET THE AOK FROM PEOPLE), and you are literally documenting and witnessing yourself do damage to your body and want to push forward.
You were warned before your cycle about diet, and now admit you didnt do all that well.
You had bloods and were warned they were not great, and went ahead anyway
You have NOT recovered and are already planning another cycle for winter
So based on previous advice and history sure whats going to change there? Land of hope and dreams versus reality - take a moment to think about it properly
When you do, here's some real advice for you
1. Go get bloods at least 2 months after finishing pct, see where you're levels are at - they might be worse or better once the PCT meds clear your system
2. If test STILL isn't recovered to the already lower than average levels or hopefully better, then consider running a proper clomid therapy, but get a proper endo-savvy doc's advice
You need to smarten up pal
(full homo)
AnonSeems you have drawn your own conclusions, and then ran to the bank with them. First, you said you didn't even read the whole post, in the post I clearly said that I'm not dead set on running EQ. As for my bloods. My test was 442, a month after PCT, it was 438. My E2 is naturally high evidently, a whole one point out of the normal range. And I don't really think you're qualified to speculate on weather or not my test levels are ideal. I benched pressed 510 lbs before I ever touched gear, I think that's speaks for itself. I just had tests ran at the doctors office last week, 300$ worth of tests, including an EKG. Hormone panel will be coming next week. Paid cash for that in a different town for obvious reasons. As for my post last November, it was a train wreck. I was attempting to come across as humble as I could. I didn't want to seem as if I thought I knew everything, or that I thought steroids were some magic pill, or that all the bad things that could happen would never happen to me. Long story short, the post wasn't perceived that way. One of the vets, pointed out that my diet would need some work. That vet in particular was a competitive body builder, I was trying to bench press 600 lbs. I would say that there would be a tremendous difference between his diet and mine. I ran my mouth a bit to him, and I realize that I shouldn't have, because since that time I've read everything he has ever posted, twice. I attempted to bury the hatchet, he didn't want to, and I learned my lesson. It's that fuckin simple. As for my first cycle, it was recommended to me that I run 500 mg of Test E. A standard first cycle. I cut that dose in half in an attempt to be responsible, also did the blood work. I did these things and then posted the bloods because I wanted to be taken seriously, because I knew I would have more questions as time went on. Not because I wanted a co-signer. And I have no idea what you're trying to tell me when you say I'm a young man, not an AOP. I have no idea what an AOP is. But if you're trying to say that I have lied about my age, stats, or anything else, then there really isn't any point in saying me saying much more. I'm not going to spend any time proving myself to you, there are a lot of good folks on this site, no need to waste time with someone who is dead set tearing others down. As for my diet, I was simply trying to be honest, and acknowledge that there is always room for improvement. Also, another vet pointed out my sodium, at that time the only sodium I was ingesting was coming from sugar free energy drinks. So the fix was simple, quit drinking the energy drinks. However according to you, my honesty is nothing more than a complete disregard for the advice I got. Once again, not gonna try and change your mind. I'm just gonna let you do you. As for me "thinking about it properly", I researched steroids for several years before ever trying them. I've been a memeber here for almost a year. In that time, I've spent 10 weeks on cycle, the rest of the time has been spent reading, trying things with my diet, building my cardio, etc. So, having said that, it's hard to appreciate someone that suggests I haven't taken the time to educate myself as much as I could, or that I haven't considered any of the advice other have given me. I don't know what else to tell you friend.
Yeah hold up there fella. Maybe you want to start this one again. Put ALL the relevant info down (so factual stuff from the above and original post) including your actual goal and how you plan to eat and train to achieve it. The lay out why you think EQ will help you achieve that goal. We can go from there. Oh and read this - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/so-you-want-cycl...
AnonI'm just gonna leave it alone. Like the post says, I don't have my heart set on running EQ, and if I were to run it, it would be a year from now. I was just curious about sides that other have experienced. I didn't intend to write a novel, and if I got a little worked up, I apologize.
Rustyhookerhe's not saying you're looking for cosigner. The guys down bottom cosigned without any prior advice. Which doesn't fly here.
Sorry Bro... y'all do things different & I'm learning!
RustyhookerNo worries. Pretent any op is your blood brother. How would you teach em, typically works well. Guys that get buck wild usually return with health issues and unsure how to correct em.
Boom.
Gonna quote you on this Rusty. Spot on man
RustyhookerAn easy complex cycle for intermediate or adv folks can be interesting. But most times, its a chore! Lol
^^^^^about says it all +2
Did you have a gander at his pre-cycle bloods pic?
I was surprised to see so many high 5s, altho of course just putting them up is good.... but still!!!
Yeah it's a tough one. No doc is going to treat at those levels but yeah pretty low for that age. Running cycles sure won't help but again could be his normal. Would like to see him recover to at least his pre-cycle levels before considering another cycle.
RustyhookerI wouldnt hit a big stack at 3rd cycle. Maybe 5th or 6th when your getting towards maxed. You still got so many basic runs that will keep you growing.
Hell, test all alone will keep ya growing
I agree with TrenPren on running no less than 16 weeks & I recommend also to donate blood before cycle & around 8 weeks in. You should purchase a blood pressure cuff & monitor your blood pressure daily. Every compound affects people different each cycle so safety can't be emphasized enough! I would definitely wait till your second cycle is over & see how recovery goes for you. Recovery is a little harder coming off a 16 week cycle. You have plenty of time.
AnonYeah, I'm definitely in no rush. And it sounds like a home blood pressure cuff is gonna be a good investment, you're not the first person I've heard suggest that. Thanks for the input bro.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkNo problem my friend. Anything else you can think of just hit me up on pm
Jesus not very often you get someone like you come on here probably the most responsible first cycle ive seen in a good while. +1 for the maturity x
In relation to your question.
It depends what your goal is EQ is a great less harmful compound than others
Personally i prefer to run bold cypionate when i can get my hands on it does great for 12 week cycle rather than that 16 week mark for bold undecylenate (personally i feel eq should be ran for 16 weeks to maximise results) Ive never gotten notable sides from eq but have never ran it over 600 mgs and for longer than 16 weeks. blood pressure did rise but nothing severe like deca or high test and hematocrite were elevated after 16 weeks on eq undec but 2 weeks after i donated blood and bp went down slightly but was in a good range to begin with (130 max on cycle) 125 post blood donation when i went for bloods 4 weeks post cycle hematocrit was well within a healthy range (around 47 % on cycle) 4 weeks post blood donation which was 6 weeks post cycle i was back down to in and around 40% so still in the normal range but was definetly elevated after cycle found with eq cyp blood pressure stayed around 125 the entire 12 week period never got a chance to check bloods after that cycle.. Thats how i got on with eq every 8 weeks is a good rule of thumb for dumping blood if your already in a healthy range you should be good thats my experience but it could be different for you.. id reccomend giving it a try for your 3rd cycle or else replace the eq with an oral for just for 4 weeks also if you can get yourself some bold cyp i like it better no keeping your test on an extra week or 2 after you drop the eq undec i feel you can run the bold cyp for 12 weeks and feel like its the 16 week mark hope this helps bro
RustyhookerFor a second cycle?
3+ cycle
AnonThanks for the response. My goal is to make good, long lasting gains. Before my first cycle, I had some goals to push some serious weight, and I was gaining, but then I hurt my shoulder, (again) and decided that I had chased numbers long enough. I've put my body through the ringer, and I'm not getting any younger. So now, the main goals are to make descent gains, continue to loose weight while dialing in my nutrition, and just keep lifting. Pretty much the only hobby I've ever had, lol I recently had bloods done, checked cholesterol, had an ekg and everything looked good. My LDL is elevated a little, but I know what I need to do to bring it down. BP was 135/75. And that was after being up all night, pounding monsters, while driving to work. So I'm sure I'll be ready for the Test E cycle after Christmas. I've got eq undec on hand, so if that the route I choose, that probably the compound I will be using, I just like to have all of my ducks in a row.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYou've got a good mindset bro awesome to hear! once you keep on top of your bloods and keep your body in good health you can run gear safely! FACT! I think my would be 140+ if that was me in that situation lol you sound like your gtg best of luck with your future cycles hope you everything goes fucking 100 buddy!
Also what jarhead2 said above about buying a bp monitor is a must to me its as essential as having an ai on hand lol can pick one up for about $20+ if your arms are relatively big get the wrist cuff or an extra large arm cuff.. very good investment if your sitting around 130+bp imo