+ 1 First time on a cycle. Just would like to learn more. Ty
Hey guys. New to the forum. So a little about me. I'm 43, 185, roughly 13%bf. Been consistent w training and diet for 5 yrs now. I've been on test cyp, 200mg weekly for a year and half. Ive responded very well and all hormones are in check. Im about to start a new bulk cycle w deca added. Here's what I was planning.
14 week cycle. First 4 weeks, test c at 300. Deca at 200. Week 5-10, test 350, deca 250. Week 11-14, test 400, deca 300. Im not trying to juice to the gill. Especially since its my first cycle. What are everyone's input on this cycle.
Second question. I was planning on doing a cut after bulk w test and primo. How long should I wait after a test bulk to start my cut? Where should I drop my test to after bulk while waiting on cut to start?
Third question. I know its a while down the line. But what test to primo mg should I ve hitting and for how long? Ty
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Id omit the deca and just rip the test.
If you're already worried about your next "cutting" blast, then you might as well write this one off. Not trying to be rude, but you should be LASER focused on everything you're pouring into this one, and maximizing the returns you're getting vs. the stress you are putting your body under.
you need to spend as much time off blast as you do on.
You should be asking, and pondering a strategy to maintain the gains you are hopefully getting on this blast for the duration of your cruise instead of planning your next rip before this one is even over.
Challenge yourself to continue to grow physically and mentally year round.
I get that. Thats why im here. To get everyone's opinion and personal knowledge. Ive always done the natural bulk, cut, bulk, cut. So wasnt sure exactly how it worked. Im learning that its not exactly that when youre blasting. Especially safely. So I'll have to go about it in a different fashion. Which I'm willing to do. All of this is a learning experience. And im glad I came here to get some more knowledge. Ty
In this guys defense, he actually did use my code and order the GoodLabs blood work. So i believe hes actually willing to listen to us, learn, and do things the right way.
I am man. Thats why I came here and have already learned a bunch in the cpl days. I'm not trying to go in blindly but also like to experiment. If I can experiment, get the most out of it the safest way possible. Im all for it.
This place will absolutely reward guys with your mindset. Trying new things is part of the fun, just a “right” way to do it.
Sheeeeit I want a discount code. How you get one?
You can use my code if you want LOL.
Assuming youre in the US, When you get labs from HelloGoodLabs they give you a code to share. Any time someone uses that code, you get one for yourself. 3YPBUJ at checkout
Nice. I appreciate it. I won't need bloods for a few more weeks but I'll definitely use it. I had been using dirtcheaplabs, but they went out of business.
Personally, I tried TRT+ (Test E + Mast E) first before doing a blast. Made sure I drank a gallon in a day before blood
Did a ton of research and started stacking with regular monthly blood work. Depending if you want the dry lean look or the mass look. Definitely spend some time researching.
Pyramids are only for scans and schemes not for cycles. Pick a dose and stay on it for the 14 weeks. And 200mg for a year and half straight then you definitely arent first timing on a "cycle" you are cruising and about to blast
Agreed. I got on trt because my test was at 420. Now at 1200 and just trying to learn more before I add another element. Im not necessarily trying to get gorilla status. Just trying to add a bit more size while doing it safe. Info is impossible to come by around me. So just reaching out to get some from experienced people who actually know what theyre talking about.
I got on TRT and now my levels are 420
420...lmao!!!
If your not trying gotilla status then no need to add a compound. Deca will put unwanted mass on you then just up your testosterone and keep up what you are doing.
I get your point. But I also like to experiment. Like to see what results I can get by it. And maybe Ill like what the results prove. If not, I can always not continue the cycle a second time, right? But everyone's opinion here is why I came. Just to get more insight and knowledge, so I appreciate your opinion
So keep it simple get blood work and test300-400 and deca 250mg.
Getting blood work on Wednesday and will post it here. Ty
Looks like crap for a cycle.
Post current bloods and pix
My opinion is the Deca takes 4-5 weeks to get fully saturated, starting at 200 and jumping up to 250 @ week 5 then 4 weeks later to 300 is really not giving yourself time to see results and any dose before you're moving up in your dose.
"I" would personally start test and deca both at 300 and move your test up from there. You also need to be taking p5p atleast 250mg everyday while on deca. This will combat the prolactin increase you're going to get and also would keep caber on hand if i were you.
Now, if you are fixed on starting at 200mg nandrolone and titrating up just buy NPP and inject daily, its a super short Ester of deca and would be a better fit for what you're doing and you have less water weight you're going to pack onto your frame.
I cannot give any info on primo, haven't used it but it's on my list.
Titrating is bunk...
2 item 1st cycle? He don't know e2 just wait for prolactin....
I must've skipped over that. And he just responded with whats caber. Not a good idea.
What is "caber"? Is it similar to anastrozole?
You really need to do some more research bro.
Cabergoline, it's an ancillary. Nothing like and AI. Nandrolone, well 19-nor in general will 100% spike prolactin. Prolactin can raise from many different things but 19-nor specifically.
High prolactin will cause gyno, high prolactin and high e2 will can gyno fast asf, also can/will lactate. Caber and Ai also shouldn't just be taken to take proactively.
Bloodwork and research. E2, test, cbc, cmp, prolactin, ferritin, apob... more than just a typical trt panel will check.
Im trying to do my research. Thats why I came here. The info online is not easy to come by and not knowing exactly what to search for proves to be hard to study. I have friends doing cycles but theyre doing shit w out their own research and im not trying to go down that route. Ty for your input. Just trying to learn and be as safe as possible.
What do you call what you have been doing for last year and a half straight. They probably saying the same thing about you lol
I call it replacing my testosterone that was tanked. Thats why I started it. Taking lab tests every few months. Theyre arent doing any of that while taking a shit load of gear w out any real info of why, or how long, or when to stop, etc.
Just FYI, you said above your natural test level was at 420. That's not really tanked - it's very average for your age. No judgement, do what you want - if you feel better that's what matters. But don't kid yourself.
My libido was very low. I was crashing every day at about 12pm. Like literally slapping myself to stay awake. I understand "420" is normal for my age. But being test is well researched and readily available. Theres no reason to keep a 420 test. I honestly feel a lot better being on it for the year and half.
Well @BigCoachKen gave you the promo for and the panel you need at goodlabs. Labs before, during and after. I like to have my during right in the middle of my cycle, unless I get sides or I finished my oral if I began with one.
Personally I wouldn't run deca for less than 16-20 weeks. But like Ken said, time on cycle = time off cycle (stay on trt dose test)
Just ordered the test. Taking it on Wednesday. Will post results once I get it. Ty
First, youve been on a small cycle for a year and a half. You want to aim for 7-800 total test while on "trt". Start low, and do hormone labs often until you figure it out. 100mg a week is a good place to start.
Do you have your full labwork? Not just the hormones, but hematocrit, lipids, etc., a full panel?
If you decide to run this cycle, dont start until you get these labs. Get the Bodybuilder Panel from hellogoodlabs, has everything for a good price. My code will also save you some money '3YPBUJ'
When you do start this cycle, no need to titrate the doses. If you want to run 400 test 300 deca, start there and run it the full way through. Also research what possible ancillaries you will need in case Deca sides arise. At the end of this 14 weeks, get the full lab panel done again. So you know how your body responds to these dosages.
Your time between cycles should be as long as the previous blast was. Again, back down to 100mg/wk, or whatever dose you have previously determined will keep you in that 7-800 test range.
DOnt worry about the last question until you reach that bridge.
Just ordered blood test. Thnx for the promo code. Im taking it Wednesday morning. Will post once I get results. Ty
So my total test on 200mg a week is 1200. Ill order a full panel now so I know where I start.
So regarding how much time to stop before next cycle. If im bulking now. 14 week cycle. You suggest waiting 14 weeks before another cycle. I was planning in cutting in January. Not sure if I was understanding that.
Let’s see what the labs show. Then go from there. Don’t change anything between now and your blood draw.
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