+ 6 NEW FIRST TIMER CYCLE!
Wuss up Bros, I wanted see what you guys think about my idea of a new first cycle plan...
(Now this new cycle is NOT FOR ME)
Its just an idea and wanted to see what the community thought about it and why it will or wont be good for a first time cycle.
Cycle layout: (option 1)
Weeks 1-10 Test E 500mg a week split dose 250&250 Mondays&Thursdays
Weeks 10-12 Test P 100mg EOD
AI (Aromasin) starting at week 3 all the way through PCT like Cdaddy,GS, and Zewi came up with.
PCT: (3days after last Test P shot)
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Cycle Layout: (option 2)
Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg split dose 250&250 Mon&Thur.
Weeks 12-14 Test P 100mg EOD
AI (Aromasin) starting at week 3 all the way through PCT like Cdaddy,GS, and Zewi came up with.
PCT: (3days after last Test P shot)
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
THE TEST P TAPER IS THE NEW PART GUYS TO GO INTO PCT MUCH FASTER RATHER THEN WAITING THOSE 2 WEEKS THAT MOSTLY EVERYONE DOESNT LIKE... Test P will prolly give some leaner gains at the end also.;)
IMO i dont think it should be a problem pinning the Test P since they have 10 or 12 weeks to practice site rotations.
And about that "PIP", you guys should just stop being PUSSIES! lol
Let me know what you guys think.. Thanks! 
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What would a profile like this look like for a 47 year old First Timer who needs TRT. I'm about 6'3"/205 lbs - normal health - no issues. Had my initial test levels done - my total Test was 304, and my Est was at 44, PSA was 2. I'm planning on some Test Cyp, Liquid Adex, HCG, and HGH. Got my GH tested today - assuming that needs help too. I'll follow up with those results - but plan on GH lowness.
I'm planning on cruising non stop with the following right now (never tried any of this yet):
250 mg Test Cyp Weekly
500 mg HCH (250 mg on Monday and 250 Thur - Thanks to Doss on advice to split this!)
.25 mg of the Liquid Adex EOD
2 iu HGH 5 or 6 days / Week
Can I just cruise like the above forever with no issue?
I've read a little on the blast and cruise. Would it help me to Blast from the start and then cruise (I'm thinking this will get me feeling things with less initial delay)?
What would a profile look like for blast/cruise for a newb like me?
What do the numbers and slashes mean when Massive put out these numbers in his recommendation?
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
I have some Androforte-5% cream coming in too (bought that before I found this site). Can I mix that in with this profile somewhere so I can use it up? The stuff is a bit costly. Maybe I'll donate it to my older brothers (I know they need it). (It doses at 25 - 50 mg cream rubbed on your scrotum every day :). Not sure what kind of Test it is considered - just know that it is test...
Thanks!
Anoni'm not extremely educated on cruising just yet, but the logic tells me that a blast with the appropriate doses followed by a prop taper to help gradually lower the levels without crashing leading into cruise. doses range from what i've noticed - 200-250/wk of long ester.
however long you blast for, i would recommend following the ideal of this thread by incorporating 100mg/eod of test prop for 3 weeks begining the week the cruise dose starts. for example, you're running test e at 500-750 (or whatever you decide) for say 16 weeks. begining week 17, you would drop that E down to 200-250/wk in addition to adding 100mg/eod of prop for weeks 17-19. then continue the cruise dose for the appropriate time period. continue running your AI for obvious reasons.
if you're cruising, you don't need a pct. unless you're just wanting to take time off to clear out your system.
how long to cruise? good question, to which i'm hoping one of the vets will answer for us bc i do not know..
cdaddy7For PCT usually only Nolvadex is used bc no need for Clomid bc ur running exogenous TRT...so ur nuts don't need a kickstart...my understanding is time on time off rule still applies on the blast and cruise to give ur body time to recover and ur levels to return to normal range...It's very important to give ur body that rest to allow ur joints, tendons, ligaments a chance to recoup from all the stress from significant muscle and strength increases and reduce the chances for injury or injury....not to mention the effects of AAS on the lipids....u want to keep those numbers good to reduce stroke or heart issues down the road....that's why i harp so much on bloodwork but it tells u exactly what's going on inside
AnonThanks for clarifying.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkcdaddy7For u brother....anytime!!
tread-mHave always loved a taper and a test P kick once beyond that first cycle. Looks good brutha!
Personally I've had guys run both options. I've also recommended some to stick with test e for 12 wks. When a guy seems overly eager I stick to a moderated approach. When he's very apprehensive I go modest with him. When they are extensively prepared emotional mentally and physicallyu can take things a bit further. It's why a true mentor spends time getting to know his student/subject. Getting a solid feel of what type of personality that twyre working with. Gauging the knowledge base of the student is also vital. Maturity level and age plays a huge role. I try my hardest to stay away from cookie cutter cycle advice even if its a noob. Regardless of what I recommend I can assure u it will keep safety and health a number one priority. Everyone is different and every cycle should be designed for each individual. I hate this one size fits all BS that's all over the place. Unique advice for unique users. It's how IMO it should be done.
"unique advice for unique users" solid shit bro!! thumbs all the way up!
cdaddy7X2 big bro
I love your style bro.. i have watched you listen and learn for just over a year now and you always show up with a great attitude and an open mind!.. when you do finally start to cycle you will be knowing your shit for sure.. actually thinking bout taking you onboard as my apprentice and send guys from my PM box to you cos im so busy thesedays doing MOD work i cant handle the amount of PMs i used to be able ,.. GREAT AND REFRESHING TO SEE SUCH A YOUNG GUY WITH THIS AMOUNT OF PROPER KNOWLEDGE... well done bro your uncle vike is so fkn proud of you its untrue... +3 but deserve far more
Wow Vike thanks so much for those kind words....i think a tear dropped.lol.... But nah bro i cant thank you n all the vets who showed me the right way enough, truely appreciate all you guys's input on this great site.:)... Totally gonna fucking kill it on my first cycle.;).... And bro send them my way i'll kick em some knowledge. ;)
Anoni am def impressed bro that you've vested this much time into gaining knowledge and understanding prior to pulling the trigger. even more respect that you're still waiting for the right time. good job brother
Watch your PM box bro... and do me proud, anything you get stuck with you hit me up to double check before we lay it down solid ok.. over time i will teach you intermediate stuff then as we progress i will bomb your mind with some "one off tailored advanced cycles".. as always we go slow and steady so that everything is A-ONE pefectos.. hows that sound!
You bet your glutes i will bro!!:)..... That sounds so awsome i seriously cant wait, you can never do enough research bro.:)
Massive is a good dude. He's been willing to listen when he needs to and uses his voice when it's appropriate. But the best part about him is hes always using his brain. He'd make a great understudy.
Thanks GS!:)..... i just really strongly feel that if your gonna get in this game why not do it the RIGHT WAY, i hate seeing these doods jumpin ahead on there first ,second ,and even third cycles with all these compounds in the mix thinking there gonna get waay better gains like that.(smh).... I just hope someone around my age or any first timer puts the work in there RESEARCH/KNOWLEDGE like ive bin doing for awhile now before they start there first cycle.. This cycle i have up there is purely just another lil example of what a first cycle should be.
CleyonGood stuff Massive! This should answer all the first timer's questions. It won't, but it should! LOL!
Haha i bet i wouldnt man but thanks!:)
Anonlook at you.. lvl 1 and shit..
cdaddy7I like the idea bc if he has no problems with the Test e or c....I def like a prop taper to help the glide into PCT not such a drop off...looking at the cup half full....he will def know in those last 2 weeks EOD injections if he is a short ester guy or long ester....def separates the boys from the men...to me prop is so fast in and out and at the end of the day it's still test....but that's my opinion...very nice layout and option....+1 M48!!!! Me likes!!!
Thanks for your input and support bro appreciate it!!:)
Anonhere's my thoughts on this: i stand behind the consensus here in that first timers should stick with one compound for the first cycle. a lot of people say add one compound at a time. i think this can be interpreted many ways. i like to see people manipulate test only cycles for their first 2-3 cycles before even considering another compound. let's get an idea of how we react to each ester from each lab. i get test flu from sust made by one lab but not the other. same with prop - some give me flu symptoms while others do not.
as an ideal 1st, 2nd, and 3rd cycle, I like to see long ester test only for 1st one. 2nd: long ester and a prop taper to provide a more steady flow during the drop from the E fading out. and 3rd: prop kicker plus taper with long ester. then introduce the next compound on the 4th. this is my personal opinion on doing it right (i realize there's other ways). this is the politically correct way IMO..
personally tho, i feel that the crash is not necessary for anyone of us. why set ourselves up for it if we can avoid it all together. but i also don't think anyone should be pinning eod unless they have the right pins and are familiar with the sites and exercise good site rotation.
test is test. yes prop will provide peaks more frequently than the longer ester will. but the advantage here, IMO is the shorter half life. the longer ester is going to progressively build up in the system over time. however, it will also progressively drop as time passes. towards the end of the cycle, this causes even greater imbalance, which we all know comes with a host of sides. most will argue that the first timer should learn how he reacts... but my personal opinion is that if we, who have already experienced this, know how it feels and try to avoid it, we can guide these guys into avoiding it also.
if it weren't for the long time vets and all their excessive use and trial and error, where would we be today with our cycles and pcts? my 0.02
AnonGo back and look at the revised version of Cdaddy, Zewi, and GS PCT. You can run half the amount of Nolva, to avoid some of the side-effects of Nolva. SO 20/20/10/10....
cdaddy7Thank-you brother!!! That's a badass PCT....all they got to do is run it once and they will never be the same....and if I find legit availability with triptorelin....be on the watch for an improved version that will change everything!!!
Well i sure will bro!... Looks like a great recovery.:)
Was gonna include that, thanks for bringin i up bro!
I see nothing wrong with option 2 for a first cycle. Test is still test so its not like adding a second compound. Muscles will have gotten used to the hormone soreness at this point and will be great prep for a second cycle with a prop kick. Worse case scenario the individual just cant handle the prop pip and they stop but have not really lost anything.
Option 2.
That test E on a first-timer maybe doesn't really even begin to kick sometimes till week 6, so why cut it at 10? Four weeks of REALLY feeling it??? Nah, six is better IMO, plain and simple.
Funny that this IS NOT FOR YOU!?!??!...just haven't fun researching and planning, lol.
Yea option two might be a lil better huh?
Hahaha its not for me bro, and yes its pretty cool researching and planning ahead which i think more ppl should do more often!
Anoni agree. i like 12 weeks better than 10. i think 8-10 would be more ideal for a short ester cycle.
Why run the test P at the end at all? If this is your first cycle just run the Test E. 500 mg's a week, the A.I is good the NOlva and clomed is good perfect dosing. If your stuck on Test P run it for the first 4 weeks and then 10-12. 100 Mg's every other day, but if you do this start the A.I much sooner also. But either way your fine, but honestly just stick to the TEST E 500.
Lol ITS NOT FOR ME..read the post again.
honestly I like the idea of a first-timer running some test P at the end between the long and PCT. Chance of holding onto more gains and also not experiencing that post-cycle crash that can just crush someone coming off. And it also gives them more experience with pinning, site rotation, feeling that virgin muscle PIP, etc. Nothing wrong with that in my book, I mean test P is sort of another compound, but not entirely. It just gives a slight more insight into testosterone as a compound. I know the recommendation is ALWAYS Test E/Cyp ONLY...and test really isn't just test, there are significant differences in short and long esters, but really the side-effects from test P are minimal in comparison to longs.
I dont disagree, just adding another option, thats why I added in my initial post to run it first 4 weeks and last 2 Prop is a good idea, Hope he can handle all the pinning, Oh yeah it's not for him LOL
I know...hey, at least he's doing a fine job researching and asking questions. It counts for something!!
It counts for ALOT imo, itll b awsome to see more doods research and plan ahead.
well, I was just trying to be more cryptic in the response, lol. 'Doods' def need to research and post more shit like this. Don't fret man...I wasn't knocking ya, you're going about this the right way with a full head of steam..and it DOES count for ALOT, OKAY NOW?!?!??!! LMAO...sonofabitch!!
Anonare you familiar with the half life of test e? or how it impacts the hormonal balance as the built up levels begin to fade? what prop does is provide a more constant flow during a time with your levels begin to drop drastically. additionally, it allows for the user to begin pct 3 days after last prop pin. at this point the focus is more on stabilizing rather than making gains. the crash or e2 rebound is not a fun thing, and IMHO isn't necessary even for a first timer.
Yeah I dont disagree, especially since getting use to pin sites is such an issue in the beginning, stabalizing is also a good benefit of prop not saying I disagree at all, just giving another option.
Anonno doubt. wasn't being defensive either. just wanted to throw that out there for anyone else that may by wondering the same
I was just saying the same thing
Anongreat minds brotha. massive and i had this conversation in private in response to my advice to a first timer. we both agreed and i said, i wonder how the public would respond to a post dedicated to this topic. didn't expect him to post it tho. glad he did bc it can give us a chance to kick the idea around with others.
well...see, I just don't see anything wrong with a first-timer running a prop taper...it actually seems more beneficial. The pros outweigh the cons in my book, and there is no reason for someone to hide in the dark thinking they are going to get flamed about this one. This is ENTIRELY different than running multiple, DIFFERENT compounds in a first cycle...and it's NOT tren first time out either, LMAO!!!
Anonno doubt bro. i agree 100%, but there will always be controversy and differences in opinions.
AnonHaha i know bro i had to post it to see what you guys think!:)
Anonyou know my stance on it, but i'll def add it anyway, regardless of possible strife.. shit, we should almost copy/paste our PMs about this topic..lol