posted Sun, 10/22/2017 - 02:18
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hello eroids Im planning bulk cycle, anyone ran this before? any recommendations? experience?
cycle history mostly ran test tren cycles, also test deca dbol drol, last cycle was in the beginning of this year, ran test tren with extremely high doses of tren and I was shuted down hard till these days, I spoke to the doc about bw and now Im fully recovered amd ready for bulking and I won’t do mistakes again thats why I’m here asking you what should I change? just every comment is appreciated, please without jokes, thank you
goal is to gain 10kg
regards
1-16 EQ 900/ew
1-16 Test E 500/ew
1-15 Tren H 100/ew
1-7 Drol 100mg/ed
10-16 Tbol 60mg/ed
Aromasim 25mg/eod
caber 0,5mg/e3d
17-20 HCG 1000ui/ew
20-25 PCT
clomid 100/100/50/50/25
nolvad 40/40/20/20/10
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Cycle going pear shaped but damage is mild and probably reversible so dont panic
Nicotonic acid 3g per day split doses once sh!t has been dropped to normalise lipids
Your liver enzymes are mildly elevated indicating inflammation or leakage.... so mildly damaged and temporary most likely if you work towards reversing it. Do a liver cleanse and use tudca.
PCT:
FRONTLOAD CLOMID: 300MG Day 1 (split into 3 100mg doses across the day if concerned about initial dose)
Then 50mg only per day for duration of PCT following day 1. Taking 100mg for a few weeks is an overdose and taxes ypur liver which is already under stress
NO FRONTLOAD OF TAMOXIFEN it provides ZERO clinical advantage so dont tax your liver more then necessary. Just 20mg tamoxifen per day, for duration of PCT
If using HCG 250IU 3X Per week only, used max 1 week into PCT where serms start working clinically
thank you very much!
No problems.
Any questions let me know, pm me
I have a niacin forum on off topic i think or check my forums on my profile. Its hard to get used to but wprth it
Read the forums first
I would like to everyone let know that I ran this cycle after all and ended up with big health problems you can see with last uploaded pic, now I finally understood what all that advices was about, I didn’t listen to anyone and did it all my way and failed but leaned from it and won’t do same mistake again definitely not!, I thought everyone was exaggerating, but now I realized that did not, fuck its a big lesson for me, I love this community
Good to know that even when they say "thanks for the advice, I'm going to listen to it", that they still think they're smarter and do their own thing anyway. It's shit like this that makes me take breaks from the forum (aside from life being busy).
only plus that came from this is that he admitted he was wrong. Hopefully some knucklehead reads this and actually listens... sad part is they probably won't. Everyone's invincible.
this is the example of my stupidness, I hope one daya this thread will help some knucklehead from damaging his health
Hey man. At least you see it now and we’re honest about it. There’s something to say about that.
What kind of health problems? And did you run it exactly as you stated?
yes I did
I would like to say thank you to everyone who gave me advice and tried to help me out, thank you to everyone who just commented here, you guys are much more experienced than me so after all what I read after all your advices and comments I learned a bit again and decided I won’t run this cycle I will stick to test and tbol only, I really appreciate your help, I came here for help I got what I was looking for
regards
What is it with tren? why everybody toss tren into the mix of things? Are you competing on stage? No? dont touch the tren. Deca dbol test. As old school as can be. Time tested bulking cycle. Keep cycles simple. And eat.
I think everybody loves tren because it delivers no matter what. Don't need to cram calories, no bloat, and you just feel good. A little anxiety is worth the trade off imo I've done the test/deca/dbol thing back in my 20"s, but water retention, and having to grocery shop and eat all of the time are two things that I can do without. Tren was developed for cattle to add lean mass without increasing their feed. If it works for cattle, why not for us?
RustyhookerAnxiety, sweats, nightmares, shitty attitude, hard shutdown etct etc.
Because in few months cattle go to slaughter. While human forgot what it does to their insides and brain activity.
Why? Because folks are too lazy to keep a proper diet
Without a doubt, tren is powerful and has its place. HOWEVER, like I said earlier, unless you are competing, use other compounds. Thats my opinion. Tren has more sides then just anxiety. All which i would gladly trade for some water retention and back pumps. I see it time and time again, bulking with tren. Not a fan.
100% agree. I don’t enjoy a tren cycle so I don’t really do them anymore and that’s baring in mind I don’t even get a lot of the side effects people mention. I’d also agree better ways to bulk especially for me personally.
I feel the same about tren. Really should be reserved for those competing. It's never lived up to the hype for me. It doesn't do as much as it should for how harsh it is. Maybe I just don't respond as well as others. I'd rather run prop var provi and mast. Prop var provi has been my go to cutter forever, with the addition of mast as of recent. I think I can look as good with that as when I run tren. Definitely would never bulk with it. Shit kills my appetite. I really don't get many sides from it at all either, some heart burn and decreased appetite, not much night sweats or anything else, but what the stuff does to you'd lipids and potentially does to you kidneys.
Heck, you don't even need tren when competing. Took an overall without tren and next show I used tren and took 2nd. lol When not competing I like to run cycles where I feel good, so that takes tren out of the mix for me. Frankly for the sides I have to put up with, tren is not all that great in my opinion. I don't see the magic in it that others apparently do.
Because it also comes with extensive side effects. Liver and kidney damage. There's more evidence coming out about it accelerating dementia and age related brain decline. Which is all well and good when you're young, but when you've cared for someone you love dealing with those issues it may change your perspective.
Agreed on the SE...
Agree with this bro. Deca test and dbol is all you need to bulk. Plus 15 weeks of Tren and you are talking about already being shut down. Come on dude same mistakes. Agree with lethal on this bro.
There is too much to explain whats wrong with your cycle... but the most stupid thing you can say is "I will gain 20lbs so I need X , X and X....
If you want to gain 20lbs be patience and eat enough!
Thats my simple advice for you, all the other guys already wrote the most important things...
Like everyone else said, way to much shit. Your really over complicating things a bit. Drop the tren. 100mg isn't gonna do much. You've got a decent base. 200lbs leans not bad. Eq is good for really boosting your appetite, your gonna need a lot of food to grow. Everyone's saying gain 20lbs naturally first, I bet if you were 230, same amount of muscle but higher bf everyone would give you the green light. Weight means everything here, but in reality is means nothing. Bodybuilding is all an illusion. I don't give a shit if I reach my goal of what I wanna look like at 180 or 250. Don't care if I'm weak as piss, id go back to benching 135 if that's what I takes to get me where I want to go. I could probably pull up 10 threads of people signing off with someone with the same amount of lbm as you, just 20-30lbs heavier cause of bf.
Now, I do think you've been running way to much shit for your size. I have a friend, ifbb pro he's 5,9 245 on stage, his typical offseason run is 400-600mgs of test and 400-600mgs of eq, 4 weeks of dbol at 30mgs. He doesn't believe anymore will result in bettergains. He claims he or a friend read some study stating that 600mgs of eq is max, more won't do anything 600 won't. And this guys huge.
Forget running 14 weeks of orals, that's pure stupid and completely unnecessary. I personally like tbol with eq, ran the same thing last winter, 60mg ed for the first 7 weeks I think it was.
and you need to run the test out about 2 weeks longer then the eq. And make sure you stop the hcg 5 days before pct.
it was some masterpiece reading, thx bro
I'm glad you said that first paragraph, someone needed too. Mans lean as fuck
Im only not negging you because of med ex... im running straight test, provi, and dbol myself right now i been walking a 20 + miles a day cause work and even tho im cooking all my own meals after 7 16's im still gaining weight its back and forth sometimes but you cant just say oh time to add more gear what you need to do is make adjustments in your life and diet and keep cycles simple. i added some advice on your other pic because my back is starting to shape up like a mother. Do wides every other day in the morning if you have to till you hit 20 at least 15 and dont forget farmers walks.
Dont insult yourself either them guys are right by giving you a hard time below but always have that fight in your mind where you know your going to WIN dont let depression or doubt creep in.
Just an example of an adjustment i making ill be switching companys working more hours but more time off in between if that makes sense so ill have better time to take care of myself.. bodybuilding is as much about rest as it is exercise.
Also eat eat eat dont worry about being cut if your hitting it hard enough you will be regardless
ty my friend
Fix your food. Come back when you've been able to gain 30 pounds naturally. If you want to run a cycle, which you shouldn't, run 500 test. Fuck all these compounds and orals. YOU DO NOT NEED THEM. We're trying to save your ass bro.
Dont forget good ole dbol but yea test alone is plenty if its not bunk
Love me some dbols
This guy is here to learn...and I don't feel like his post deserves to be negged...he's needs help, not hindrance...and he's being respectful....let's help him get where he needs to be....thanks
thx bro I love you
You're supposed to say no homo after that... :/
full homo
Remember...respect goes to ways, especially here in this community, bro...thank you for understanding...
I love you my friend and respect you, no homo
Query Harris Benedict Equation and calculate your BMR with and without activity.
Your wasting money and time if you're relying on the juice alone... if you were doing it right, you'd probably be about 220-225 lbs...
Post up your BW...let's see your LH/FSH/Test levels...
Your poor liver.
7 weeks of Anadrol? AND 6 weeks of Tbol?
looks like its too much?
Yes. I looked at your stats and your physique pictures. You definitely don't look bad and you are pretty lean but for you to gain size you need calories. You need at least another 20 pounds before you consider Anadrol.
I noticed your comment about starting here when you were 18 and can't imagine training without it. I'm not going to get into whether that's the right mindset to have her not because that's another topic completely. However I do want you to understand that at your age if you continue using orald of this heavily you won't have a liver at the age of 30. So if fitness means that much to you.... you want to consider doing it a lot more safely so you can use gear for the long run.
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Fella this is way over the top for a guy in your position. Time for you to take a step back and reevaluate. You appear to have run a lot of gear for someone of your size. Do you honestly think your pic reflects a good yield?
https://www.eroids.com/pics/hard-faqin-work
tbh I think I have good definition and proportions but need to add some mass, its not ego Im just honest
You have decent definition and proportions for a natty athlete. Not for someone who's touched any gear.
And your weight prior to using AAS was what? 165-175?
Post your foods....
I started using gear when I was 18 Im fuckin idiot I know, now after 7 years I cant imagine fitness without gear, maybe you can advise anything else with small doses for my size and years?
People make incorrect decisions, especially when we’re young. At least you’re honest about it. Plenty of time to correct. I note your comments about “can’t imagine fitness without gear”. This concerns me. Those that excel in this game tend to be those that train even harder off gear than in just to keep their gains. Those in your shoes tend to gain 10, lies 8 etc. You’ll need to address this mindset you’ve developed or it’ll forever hinder you.
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One of the benefits of waiting until you're old enough is that it forces you to train for years natty so you can always go back to those roots. Even if you cycle 6 months out of the year you've still got six months you've gotta train without gear. Believe in yourself and work your ass off, that gear is just the cherry on top.
You're not an idiot bro....your choices and decisions were based off of insecurity and inexperience...you're here now, so you have the ability to learn correctly and make positive changes....
Welcome to Eroids.
Post BW values....no steroids until you're ready...
thx for understanding