posted Sun, 02/26/2012 - 14:12
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Lowering test raising tren?
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So CURRENTLY I am running 750mg test e/ week, 400mg tren ace/week
I've been reading alot about lower test higher tren cycles. That is pretty much the opposite of what I normally do so I was wondering if anyone else has experience with this? Also adding anavar the last half of my cycle. My goal is to add some muscle whilst cutting up. I also have a bottle of liquid t3 left over.
Stats: 5'9 207lbs about 14%bf
And no its by far not my first experience with tren.
I was actually thinking about flipping the tren and test doses.
Thinking 700mg tren, 250-350mg test.
Any input is greatly appreciated. 
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DarksideSixi always run Tren higher.....thats where the results are! At leas for me from my experience.
Test and Tren are both highly androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptor but because Tren is 5 times stronger than test it will beat Test to the receptors so you could essentially run about 300mg of test and run the tren at a higher dose or you can continue to run your test at the higher dose and tren lower depending on what your goals are.
We only have so many receptors in our body, roughly, they die off and re grow all the time. Different types of receptors are in specific areas of our body, mostly. androgen, estrogen a shitload of them. Once we fill up the androgen receptor the rest of the medication is wasted, it doesnt do anything.
Since I want the tren gains, dry lean huge vascular gains, I want the tren to attach to more recptors than the test right? its a synergistic effect in one nice formula, and the best one AAS wise.
So running 4-600 tren (i know guys that say the real size gains from tren are up around 7-800mg shooting 100 or so daily) with 300 test is great.
These guys run low dose test with it, just enough for normal activities, we dont need any anabolic or androgenic muscle building effects from it, we have the tren for that.
This will actually leave you less prone to side effects, since high prolactin is usually associated with high estro.
well i didnt read through everything on this page so if its covered my bad. most of the stuff ive read on this suggests a trt dose with high tren, the dose isnt there for you to GAIN off of its there so you dont become impotent. I stopped researching this style of a cycle some time ago but I dont recall ever reading anybody becoming impotent as long as there is some test.
If your planning on going to 700mg/w with the tren then myself I would consider the lowest dose I could get away with of test, between 100 and 150mg/w. This cycle would probably give me a wood every 4th day, as opposed to every day on high test but thats the compromise, less sex less sides!
tread-mAnd more water hoses running down those arms !
tread-mYou play with it to your liking but yes, tren sides will be less with less test. Much better to run prop with Ace given "playing" with it as you drop test might allow you to adjust to problems with a 19 being higher than test. You work your way down in test to get the less sides benefit and if you run into trouble the prop allows a quick bump back up. Caber on hand in case playing with it keeps you from playing with it.
DfizzleI got plenty of prop that should arrive in a few days for next cycle. Im going to stick to original cycle plan since I'm running test e. This will be interesting to try....i just might give it a go next time. Just wondering, have u personally tried this? If so were your gains greater than with higher test?
tread-mYes..including as we speak. The limp flute is very different for everyone but with prop its fixable if you find it. I've seen people run deca only with no trouble even though I never would. Even deca I advise to be no more than 40% of test but have exceeded that. Others will have deca dick with 25% deca even thougb rare. Just a personal thing but with Ace/prop its all within your control and again, caber on hand.
I ran test deva at a 500/400 ratio and had a hard on all day!
tread-mRight see and many half and half but some will sacrifice the erections if it means goals are met and even get their tren test ratio way out of whack especially as the final 3 or so roll up in the tren run.
DfizzleHence sources starting to supply viagra.
DfizzleWell then the real question is, if u ran the tren higher do u become impotent....because thats not to cool
there is a high chance of it, id go as far as to say most likely. there are those who it didnt have that effect on though. i know a dummie who ran straight deca, no test, out of ignorance and didnt get deca dick but thats an exception to the rule. why chance it?
Thats basically what i was saying. I was taught that less test than 19nor equals limp d*ck. But everyone is different. I ran two 19nors together with no problem
Back when i was completely ignorant to all that i was doing, i did run test/deca/tren together. I was told i was making a horrible mistake and should stop using one of the 19nors. Honestly, i was ok. No real ill effects, but i was using more test than anything. I'm not saying that it's ok to do what you want, it's not a really good idea. Again, any of the experts out there care to chime in and correct me if i'm wrong (Frankie, Grrrl,tread)?
AnonI believe the issue is more about prolactin and the fact that tren over powers the deca competing for receptors
So it makes the deca less effective. Ok, I thought it was more about the increased risk of sides with the two.
AnonI would imagine that increased sides also is a result hence the reason why people freak out when you say you are running two 19nors..
Thats pretty much what they were saying when I did that. I ended up cutting it way short because of what they were saying and the fact that i balllooned up 15lbs in a few weeks. None the less, I had no real problems. I got off topic here. My apologies to the poster
DfizzleI always do too. Never ran anything withOUT test honestly, but thats kinda why I posted this. I was hoping someone had tried this and would shed some light so I dont have to b the guinea pig. I been googling the shit out of it and there are alot of dudes doing it, but its pretty much 50/50. Some say they got great results, some say better off with higher test...
there ya go... the grrrl knows her shit.
Anonactaully you need to have one high and one low test and tren will fight for the receptors. there has been some discussion about this elsewhere in the forum... just have to find it. I think the real issue is finding what works for YOU.
DfizzleI've heard of alot of bros running 100mg prop and 100mg tren ace ed, there is actually a high ranked source on here that swears by it. Wouldn't that be a waste of one or the other if they both are competing for the same receptors?
Anoncould be however, this is your very own chemsitry experiement finding what works for you may not work for someone else.
Just for my own curiosity, is it in fact common practice to run more test than 19nor for the reasons i stated or is it just bro science?
Anonno it is not bro science deca dick and tren dick are real and the reason why you run test to nor19 ratio at 2:1 is to avoid this but when talking about tren and test ratios, tren specifically competes with test for the receptors. There are quite a few guys who run tren higher than test for this reason to reap the benefits of the tren ... all else does not matter..
I did not know that. Thank you. I will not be trying it but thanks, lol
From what i've always been told (and read), It's never a good idea to run more 19nor than test. The test dosage should be higher then the tren. It's possible that i'm mistaken, if so someone correct me please. I always run more test than any other compound. Thats just what i was taught. If i am right, i wouldnt want to see you have any ill effects from doing this.
ALPHAsome claim to get less sides, and better gains that are easier to maintain. thats all I have heard though.
Hey, its very possible bro. I'm not 100% sure. I have done things that weren't advised and had no trouble. But I really don't know. I'm just saying what i've always thought to be true.
Its not suggested but then again we are basically giving out bro science for the most part. There isnt a wole lot of scientific evidence for much of the advice given, a lot of it is "what worked for me and some of my bros" type advice. With that being said, if you feel comfortable being your own guinea pig then roll with it. Tell us your results in the end. Personally Id rather listen to the advice of the older cats who guinea piged themselves already and save my health for better shit like fucking and fighting.
DfizzleI got a couple bottles of letro from extreme peptides sitting in my closet but I'm not currently taking them. Using about 20mg of nolva
DfizzleTen weeks of test e 750/week. split into two shots
Ten weeks of tren ace 75mg eod
I went with enanthate because I was already on 300mg before I started.
I was thinking about lowering the test dosage because i feel pretty bloated
And I'll be adding anavar for the last 6 weeks.
got all my pct on hand clomid/nolvadex
ALPHAdo you have an ai, on hand? that would help a lot with the bloat, I have the same issue and an ai seems to work
ALPHAif you are getting good results the way you are running it now don't change your method. I think you should ride this cycle out this cycle out, and avoid switching the doses. You will be putting your endocrine system on a roller coaster if you do so now. Wait till a future cycle to up the dose of tren, and a lower dose of test. Out of curiosity what does your cycle layout look like? why are you running test enanthate with tren acetate.