lean spring cycle
Hey Guys ... I'm looking for some Positive feedback on those that have had experience on the anabolics I'm going to list and if they can provide some recommendations or what should be added, chnaged etc
Stats:
Just turned 38
Currently running 4iu of pharm grade HGH a day
taking 1 t3 tab a day
over past 10 years I have done cycles on and off and until only recently did the PCT thing -- i know dumb but i didn't research it years ago i as I do now
I'm 6 3 -- 230lbs -- athletic build -- 15-20% BF maybe (really have no idea)
Spring cycle: Just a rough order as I'm expecting feedback on the best way to utilize this all
Weeks 1-4 - 30mg a day of dball just to get a good start n pump
weeks 1-4: did i add Tren???
Weeks 1-15: 250mg sustanon a week
Weeks 1-16 500 mg equipoise
weeks 1-16: 400-600 mg of Legit pharm grade primo (main drug i want to do)
weeks 8-12: 50 mg of anavar
weeks 11-16: do I add winny tabs?
then of course the proper PCT after
- In past i never did test and loved Equipoise - which is why I have Eq in there now -- I could do the above and just be fine with taking out the EQ as i really want to give a good try for the Primo
- Should i add winstrol in on this towards the end -- I know most are against it.. but what about 5 weeks of 50mg winny tabs week 11-16 maybe??
I will be under Dr supervision the entore time -- although I did tell him when I begin -- when I get my checkups he is made aware that I'm running a cycle and I get my Bloods done accordingly.
Looking for some Feedback if I should alter anything? Add winstrol or even Tren in beginning or end - etc etc
Please those that have had personal experience - as the internet gives out a lot of good but bad info -- so i'm looking for a reply from someone who has experienced something like this first hand
I will be doing HGH throughout
the t3 not sure about
clen - again not sure about
ohh -- and do i run Provirion throughout the cycle too?
many thanks for help with my long ass post!
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here's a link to Bloods I posted in september
I can answer any questions later today/ tonight
I was asked to get new Bloods Done -- and I will do that the first of the year
https://www.eroids.com/pics/my-bloodwork-post-cycle
anyone who has tried to help -- I appreciate it!
i have my bloods -- can anyone tell me how to attach or upload them?
RustyhookerWith your test at 40....you shouldn't cycle at all. You should be at endocrinology. See if that test comes back up or if you fried your balls. Or reboot pct. Thats not good at all
Thats probably because of his high use of winstrol....... its classic over here for guys to hammer winny because of its ability to hammer down natty test levels so the guys can get Dr prescribed TRT..... endogenous levels stay low for ages with even moderate winstrol usage.
Thats the reason i switched to Masteron when it became available... never used since swapping out.
didn't run winny - so not from that -- had to be for test
Ok it was just an observation from your post, i dropped that info so you or anyone else reading this thread could learn if they didnt know winstrol is usually the culprit for low test on bloods.
np
Rusty -- why anavar vs winny
I ask bc i do have 25 vials of wiiny but never took bc of the frequency of injections
i also have 200 tabs of anavar i was saving for another cycle
Ah injectable winny. Not for the faint of heart lol! Basically var and winny have the same effect in terms of look and strength but winny is much more hapatoxic, will shut you down harder and seriously messed with your joints. Any other thoughts fella's?
Ahh... the var vs winnie debate. I think var outshines winnie when prepping, gives a harder and drier look. Not going to notice the difference though unless your are near stage condition. If not prepping, I would go with var. Less toxic and your joints feel a hell of a lot better. Lypolysis effect from the var also.
RustyhookerJoints is the big one. Second is the cholesterol crash.
RustyhookerSince I ran anavar, its hard to think about winny. And masteron just works well for my goals too
I'm chatting to this fella on PM. Those bloods are worthless - they were taken 2 weeks into PCT. He completed a proper PCT since and will be rerunning bloods in the new year. So for now he will not be running any sort of cycle until we get these checked and see where he's at. In the meantime I've clarified his goal which is to cut and have suggested a diet and training plan (lifting plus cardio) to get him started and on his way natty. Depending on the outcome of the bloods and how he goes with the diet and training a simple classic cutter cycle may be appropriate. I've asked the OP to keep the community posted and to check with others regarding my ideas.
Good karma
I do appreciate the help Dacky + others
I'd like to run a cycle in Feb -- but as Dacky said i'm getting bloods probably the first of the new year -- and from there will share
In the meantime I do need to get my diet much tighter and my workout program on track
RustyhookerExcellent! !!
Nice........... +3 bro
Thanks fellas. Doing my bit.
you've been hammering it in the forums man, +2.
JoneDoeI really think you can lean out with out using so many compounds as long as your diet is on point and you will save a lot of money in the long run.
Thanks
Primo & anavar?
Has you ran primo? Dosage online says anywhere from 300-1000 ( crazy to me) I'd think I can do maybe 500 mg a week /
So a lot has been said below about it being a mess and I certainly don't disagree. The OP clearly has priors but i don't see the details other than they ended to involve EQ and no test. I've heard of this before and had a few discussions about it. Not going to say anything other than I'm glad to see you're going with some test this time. So my questions and then perhaps I can help a bit with some actual suggestions:
Please provide the answers and hopefully I and others can help clean this up a bit allowing you to have a safe and successful experience on your next cycle.
Ok gents: I looking for advise & not insults
Telling me it sucks - great but follow up with some advise please -- as mentioned everyone is entitle to their opinion -- I mearly suggested a possible cycle & am open to suggestions:
To answer you questions
1. Test - yea about a year ago & 6 months ago -- I gained a lot of water weight though - n don't want huge water gains - I'd be happy w 8 lbs of muscle not 20 lbs n 80% drops off once test is done
2. Sust - because I can get Pharm grade - organon - & schrieng primo
3. Low test - only asking because years ago I only did eq ( no test) and was happy w results
4. Ai - think aromasin I ran last time ( 6 months ago in summer) open to advise as there's sooo many mixed reviews
5. Typing from iPhone to long
6. T3 bc taking hgh - read should take low dose t3 w hgh ( again lots mixed reviews on this but doing because research I did)
7. I stopped last cycle end August & had blood pulled 2-3 weeks later -- my test was virtually at zero and yes I did hcg & clomid
Monday I can pm you my blood work
8. Tren - tried 2x last time stopped because insane amount of sweating in am -- sweating & work suits don't mix well!!
Dacky - I appreciate you asking these questions & trying to help me out !! I do a lot of reading online but tough because of all mixed reviews
What I'm looking for is maybe 2 months of lean gain going into 2 more months of cutting & trying to stay w lean look rather than big n bloated
I'm 6 3 & 235 now so not interested in big pounds but rather converting my fat to muscle & be very lean 230 lbs - year round
Thanks for your help/ reason why I put that post up for fellas to help me do the right thing
See so many times where guys reply ( that's the worst - but offer no advice )
Rustyhooker7. I stopped last cycle end August & had blood pulled 2-3 weeks later -- my test was virtually at zero and yes I did hcg & clomid
That alone says do not cycle. Not a proper pct, which bloods proved did not work.
T3....you have bloods to warrant use?
Yes, your plan is not complete nor a good plan. Post up bloods. Im done here til bloods post. Cosigning a bad idea....nope.
If you read my post - I'm no expert & im looking for advise - not insults - if I wanted insults I would have asked my wife
My PCT was 500 IU of hcg 2x a week for last 3 weeks of the cycle
Then week of nothing
The clomid 100/50/50 think I ran out after
Nolvadex 80/60/60/40
I got my bloods pulls early September- have all paperwork so I'll post Monday but to make a general comment saying I don't know what I'm doing is comical -- I followed a proper PCT - I'm think maybe not enough
And
Maybe a hoot my bloods pulled to soon - where I was in that dead zone of no test from shots & my body didn't start back up yet
But I'm here for help & to learn more -- to insult does me no good - to say I don't need a cycle is great but regardless I'm going to do one
RustyhookerYour repeated snits about comical etc says you're on your own.
I'm asking for advise & suggestions for those w experience CE that feel they can help me- I'm not a pro - nor an expert - I'm looking for advise - not insults! Bye
Definitely not cosigning here. Totally agree. Lots needs to be thought about!!! You make an excellent point regarding the PCT and I had not even asked about that so thanks for calling it out and the PCT for the original idea is not defined clearly so the OP needs to provide that too.
I too want to see bloods but I really want to understand the goal here. It's not clear and until I do and see the blood work and understand the goal, the diet that will be used and the training regime that will be followed I remain to be convinced a cycle is even needed or a good idea for this fella. I'm hanging around though. Hope to be able to steer this right. I'll put in some work with this.
RustyhookerNot worried about this one. He's adding without bloods to prove why. Last bloods posted weren't good. Yolo right here.
As mentioned I will post bloods Monday - from my office PC as I can't bring them up on my phone & post it now
My bloods were -3 weeks after stopped cycle so many say that's too soon and they won't count
I will get new bloods this month
I hear to get help - I have posted since day 1 I'll post my bloods in fact when I had bloods done I created a post under pct forum & I think I uploaded my bloods then but regardless my sept bloods will be posted at some time tomorrow
Not sure why your so angry with me - I made a post looking for help - advice - I have nothing to hide - everything to gain - with help
You can help or insult but helping is preferred
Ok fella. Thanks for providing all those answers. That helps get things a bit clearer.
Ok the first thing is let's be clear on what you're trying to achieve here. You talk about lean cycle and about being happy putting on and keeping 8lb of muscle. Originally I thought you were talking about a cut but now I realise your probably taking about a "lean bulk". If I'm right then my view is you need to rethink. There really is no such thing. You're either bulking or YouTube cutting. The lean bulk is a misnomer and those that try usually fail and end up spinning their wheels and wasting their time. If all you want to do is add 8lb on muscle you can do this very easily and safely with no aas and the right diet and training. Check out this post by a very knowledgable and experienced member Makwa to give you an idea - https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/spinning-your-wheels. EDIT: check out these two other posts - https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A... and https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-mas...
Now if you want to bulk and add some serious mass and size (and be prepared to gain some fat) then a cycle may be appropriate and we can structure something around that - including diet and training. However from what I've read that's not your goal.
Likewise if you're looking to drop body fat, lean and harden up then with the right diet, training and a very simple aas stack this can be accomplished relatively safely and with minimum compounds and need for ancillaries.
Have a think and come back to me with your thoughts and we can go from there. Feel free to check in with some other members (hopefully some will chime in) but I bet you will get a pretty consistent view.
Lastly....glad you've pulled bloods and will be under a doctors care. Please share the lates bloods next week when you have them done again.
This is it:
Likewise if you're looking to drop body fat, lean and harden up then with the right diet, training and a very simple aas stack this can be accomplished relatively safely and with minimum compounds and n
I'm a business professional that simply wants to improve my look -/ Ass Def can help me achieve that much quicker than without
You seems to actually care - and are sincere in trying to help - I can't thank you enough
I see it all the time & even on this post - negative comments by someone & adding no value - why do people reply?
Goal - drop body fat - add lean muscle:)
I like to do Pharm grade / name brand
Hgh - is hi stripe
Primo & sustanon - both from Turkey- name brand
I can afford the name brand so why go with anything else
Past experience was excellent w eq - but after reading - primo sounds excellent t & I'd like to try that - I'd do primo & eq if tat was good but like I said everyone says must must add test ( why?)
I have access to any pct products out there
I read about hcg last 2 weeks
Then clomid & nolvadex after that -- if you have better idea -- I'm open
Again - I'm no expedient & done many cycles in past - eq mostly - but only re early am I really trying to educate myself of products / dose / timing / length/ pct etc etc
I'm no expert! I'm asking Guys with actual experience & how it worked for them- that's all fellas! One man trying to pick the brain of others in an effort to learn more!!!
D - appreciate the love & you trying to nail this down with me
Last thing to all - t3. Take because read it works well with hgh - but to this day teres still huge debate on t3 or t4 or nothing at all!!!i can read opinions all day long but I'm trying to hear it from horses mouth!!
Thanks to anyone trying to help me
Mate I've sent you a friend request so we can chat over the next few days (probably not tomorrow). I'm uk based and need to get some shut eye now and give the family some attention tomorrow.
One quick suggestion is to delete the brand names from your previous reply to me and in some of the other posts in this thread before it gets picked up by a mod and you get bonked for it. It's not allowed in open forums.
Also try not take things too personally. Some of the guys may sound harsh but they do this day in and day out just for the love of it and because they care about the health and wellbeing of the community. Some just have a particular style sometimes or are just too the point with their thoughts. It's not personal for them so don't make it so for you. If you keep engaging positively you will get good engagement back I assure you.
On bloods you need to get these done again now so please get on this. Those September bloods 2/3 weeks into pct are going to tell you or us nothing.
Lastly I know we will chat on PM but keep the thread alive with updates. Post up your bloods etc and inform the community where you end up.
Cheers fella.
Will do - appreciate the help
Please tell me u r joking. This is a mess. Dbol,var n winny all n 1 cycle, r u crazy?
U need to keep it simple man. Stop over thinking this crap. Nail down nutrition, get that bf down, then run some test n var.
Ok online calculators I should be 15% bf
Workout - 4 days a week weights
3 cardio
That's ideally. Now I do about 4 days total some days weights others / incline walk treadmill
Ok to many compounds
Everyone always say add Test as a base - why?
What about
1-4 dball
1-16 500 primo
9-16: 50 mg anavar
This ones a head scratcher forsure
Way too much going on
Whole lot of stuff there buddy. I see where you're going with it, but its just not all needed. Keep it simple and be good to your body. No need to take huge health risks when not a competitor, whether under doc supervision or not. Hell, that's 7 compounds plus hgh, plus possibly t3, clen, proviron......just my .02
Go back to the drawing board
do NOT run this cycle.
bigmurphWay to many compounds keep it simple
Sust you can't run at 250mg a week
What's your diet what's your workout program
What are your previous cycles
Figure out your bf online calculator
With this info I can help you