+ 1 Just need input/advice/changes
Ok fellas, its about that time to put my foot on the gas again. I'm 29, 5'8", 220 lbs pretty solid right now, a little soft from the holidays. Training about 5 days a week doing mountain dog training. I feel i've made the best natural gains i've ever made off cycle. Eating pretty clean, about 3400 cals a day, around 310g protein, 340g carbs, and 88g fat. That obviously changes here and there cuz i'm not dieting at the moment. just trying to pack on the clean muscle.
1st cycle was 600mg test e/week for 12 weeks with 50mg dbol/day for the first 4 weeks, and 12.5mg aromasin for the duration and through pct. which was clomid/nolva 100/100/50/50, and 40/40/20/20.
2nd was 750mg test c/week, for 12 weeks, with 30mg dbol for the first 4 weeks again, with a test prop taper of 100mg eod for 3 weeks. aromasin 12.5 ed again, through pct which was the same as the first cycle. Dbol has been my biggest challenge. Fucks with my blood sugar and makes me feel bloated as hell and stiff, but pumps and weight gain are great. both cycles i put on a little more than 15lbs, keeping around 10 each time.
This time, i really don't care about just putting weight on. 220 is a weight i'm happy with, and i don't see a need to throw on pointless water and some muscle. I was thinking about test/deca/drol, but that would really pack on the water i think, and i deca sides kinda scare me, as far as decadick. I want lean, solid gains, more of a re-comp.
So i was thinking this looks nice,
Week 1-16: 750mgs of Test E
Week1-15: 600mgs of Equipose
Week1-5: 60mgs of Tbol
Week 3-16: 12.5 mgs of Aromasin every day
PCT:
Week 1-4: Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Week 1-4: Clomid 100/100/50/50
Week 1: 4500 i.u. HCG
Week 2: 3000 i.u. HCG
Week 3: 1500 i.u. HCG
Ok guys that was plan one. I think the fact that the Tbol doesn't aromatize, so might be a little easier than the dbol on me. Plan two is the complete opposite, to try to minimize water and bloat with diet. and use test e/deca/drol which would look like
Week 1-12: 750mg Test E
Week 1-11: 500mg Deca
Week 1-4: 50mg Anadrol
Week1-12: 12.5mg Aromasin ED
PCT:
Week 1-4: Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Week 1-4: Clomid 100/100/50/50
Week 1: 4500 i.u. HCG
Week 2: 3000 i.u. HCG
Week 3: 1500 i.u. HCG
With the second cycle caber would be on hand for prolactin issues. What do you guys think, what would you change, do you think i could use the second cycle and control the water/bloat issues with diet?
I really like cycle 1, just do to the fact that i want the vascularity and hardness from the eq. I'm guessing with cycle 2 i would put on a lot more mass/strength if the diet was the same on both? Fire away and thank you so much for your help!
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I'm looking at Rust's suggestion. What you wrote is not consistent for doing shorts for beach muscle. This is January. You want to run nice clean Test/ EQ -16 - I just don't see the vasculariy till nearly 20 weeks. Let me get out my calendar. You'll be finished with 16 weeks of EQ in April. I like EQ, it is gentle on the system, I check bloods every 3 weeks (old habit). With EQ you get elevated RBC and you can donate blood to get that down. I prefer in certain applications to run EQ instead of deca. I would do a 16 weeker, peel the test back to 500. You can do a prop taper, before PCT. You can kick with Tbol if you want - see how much bloat you get.
Now, remember you will be in PCT this summer if you start now. Is that what you really want??? I don't walk around the beach in PCT!!!! I'm a TRT patient, but I would not want to be in PCT on the beach.
well, i was thinking maybe by that time, i could get some good gains on this cycle, then bridge for a little bit and jump on a cutting cycle, like the one rusty suggested for 8 weeks. THEN pct after summer. maybe cycle 1, 12 weaker, then get on rust's in the beginning of summer? this is why i posted this. i need advice.
the only thing i like about cycle 2, is that i don't have to run as much oil for such a long duration. its a little cheaper. i was gonna try to control water and bloat with my diet as much as i could. but the thought of being hard and ripped from eq sounds nice
RustyhookerAnother option since you like your bodyweight is a short estered cycle to finish at 220 rocky. Mast/prop/var. But time it by the calender so you're rocked when your calender hits your goal....like beach body etc
1-8 mast prop 150eod
1-6 prop 150eod
6-8 prop 75eod
2-6 var 75ed split half am/pm
Ran this last year.
that looks awesome, but i'm not necessarily looking for a cut right now, as its not gonna be beach weather for another 5-6 months here. so i was trying to put on lean mass. then maybe i'll do this cut cycle after.
RustyhookerYou can switch bold und for bold cyp and run a 12weeker. Shorter bold ester similar to enanthate. Gains are solid n dry so its nice for that. Not into bridges though. Dont need to become trt patient. With foods dialed in the gains will be kept
I second this one!
Hey bud, your PCT looks spot on! Don't worry about deca dick if you have caber on hand and use it right. Personally I run prami throughout my entire cycle so I don't play mind games with myself looking to see if my nipples are puffy and stuff. Little confused as to what you are going for here though. If like you said you aren't trying to put on a ton of weight but just quality mass I would definitely go with the first cycle. Good to see that you plan to run the eq to 15 weeks. I'm sure you know this but start your PCT 2 weeks after last injection. What is your current BF%?
BTW: John Meadows and his mountain dog train is the man! One of the sources of information I trust!
i'm not sure about the body fat, but i'm 220 and have abs, and good vascularity in arms and chest
RustyhookerDryer recomp....I'd run it 600/600 test eq then last month lower test to 300 to allow water to drop.
1-12 600/600
13-16 300test.....600eq
16-20 prop 150eod..
I'd drop that tbol at beginning and use prop. Run tbol or anavar 14-20. Pct 2days after last pin. You'll have to "feel" your wsy thru last Weeks on estro and ai. As test drops of course so does conversion. If you're horney...you're good. Listen to body and you'll do great!
Stats??
stats are in the beginning of the post