-1 First cycle oral vs injectable
hello all ive been at these forums for a fair amout of time now trying to gather info(you can never have enough) but yet im still confused i know cycles or rather the compounds you chose to use(or shouldnt be using lol) greatly depend on stats, experience, effort you put into your lifting, dieting, cardio, etc. etc. so this is where it gets a little tricky as for results i would like to obtain i was leaning more to cutting up to 10% or lower then bulking closer to the winter but then im also not opposed to bulking up now then cutting up in the winter (hence the reason i am confused as to what i should do) so now that im kind open to either idea i was hoping for some input from more experianced people here. so let me finsih by saying
stats are
22 (23 in nov) , 185lbs, 5'6, higher teens in bodyfat % (have a little pouch on my lower abs ) lifting on and off since i was 16 always involved insports (played soccer for 14 yrs and football for 6) and dieting properly on and off for maybe 2 yrs maybe less
diet consists of
Meal one- 8 egg whites or whey protein (if im ever running late for work and dont have time to cook)and whole wheat toast/crackers or natural oatmeal
Meal two- can of tuna with 3/4 tbls of half fat mayo and 2 tbls of either natural peanut butter or flax seed (on ther own not with the tuna lol)
Meal three- chicken or steak strips and only sometimes some vegies be it brocolli and carrots or a cesar salad with fat free dressing or spinach(yes i know gotta eat my veggies btu you try not eating them for like 18 yrs then forcing them down lol)
Meal four - (pwo at the gym) liquid amino acid blend with 30gr of protein (whey)
Meal five- (ppwo right when i get home) two boneless skinless chicken breasts , sweet potatoes or brown rice and same thing for vegetables as meal 3
Meal six- (1/2 hr befor bed)whey protein with 1 1/2 tbls udos oil blend
Trainign
Morning cardio on a empty stomach 4-5(not on leg days and sometimes on only one or neither of my off days) days a week, training (weight lifting) monday - sholders/traps/fore arms tuesday legs/abs- wednesday off thursday chest/tris friday or saturday back and bi's sunday- off
and the propesed cycles were
cutting then bulking route-
weeks 1-6: tbol 40mgs
weeks 1-6: clen running benadryl at the 3rd week
weeks 6-8: pct nolva 20mgs a day
or the bulking then cutting route
week 1: 800mgs test enth froatloaded (2x 400mgs)
week 2-12: 400mgs test enth (2x 200mgs)
week 14-?: pct (unsure of wich pct protocol id like to followas of right now)
so any info would be good tips recommendations suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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Here ya go..Will save ya some trouble Viking! http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/first-cycle-plan-for-un....
AnonI suggest you do way more reading and research if you are confused about how to PCT after a test e cycle.. Your oral only "cycle" is ridiculous.. You probably couldn't even tell me why it is ridiculous. Cutting is way more about your diet than anything else.. smh .. do more research.
X2... not even going to start here... this is ridiculous imo too.
Supernova283I know right? One oral. He's going to need at least some Var, Tbol and Adrol thrown in there or he won't get any of the effects.
Might as well throw some tren in there too for good measure.
(Joking)
Hahahah... it was his diet that made me giggle bro its neither here nor there...thats were he needs to do his homework imo.
zewiSo very true.. Diet makes or breaks your Cycle(or off) every time.
CleyonAnd it is definitely the hardest part to get right!
zewiyep cause your body is always changing, from getting older, to getting hurt. All this effects your diet everyday. Sleep effects your diet when your dragging a little so you take more crabs that day. You cheat here and than there. It all plays a factor.
CleyonWhy did I have to read that the moment after I stuck a spoonful of peanut butter in my mouth!
zewiIm keeping you on your toes.
CleyonLOL, at least it's a healthy snack, don't worry it was "organic" i.e. cost more.
Something very wrong and strange going on here,your profile says you are 30yrs old your post says 22yrs old ???? also your stated weight here is 185lb,in your other post about T3 and CLEN you said you were 240lbs.
What are you playing at here, explain yourself please.
zewiX2--I have no idea Suzy.
CleyonTime to ban and delete. I've messaged Grrrl.
Good,that will save my hubby blowing a gasket
CleyonI worry about his health.
lol hes not even had a cold in three years.
CleyonYeah, but stuff like this might give him a brain aneurism!
Lol you guys have done a good job sorting all this shit out.... all nice and cool ready to fill my face again bro... meal five is the BIG one my favourite>
CleyonWe do what we can, but it's never the same without you here beside us...
CleyonLet's got that diet down some. Just for reference, I'm 6' tall 205 and here is what I eat.
Meal 1
4 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1cup whole oats
Meal 2
7oz chicken, 1 cup brown rice, 1 cup steamed vegitables
Meal 3
Protein shake
Meal 4
7oz chicken, 1 cup brown rice, 1 cup steamed vegitables
Meal 5
8oz fish (or chicken), 1 cup steamed veggies
Meal 6
Protein shake
If you are trying to lose BF, you are going to need to eat less than me who is trying to gain muscle. Make sure you are counting those calories, I'm consuming 3200-3500/day.
sgtstedankoIt's my opinion that you're not ready. You're too young, too much bf, don't have the proper work put in, yet. Follow this to a t. 20 weeks of that, w/red cal diet, yohimbe, & boom you're a Spartan! Guaranteed... After that, you'll be ready for a good low dose of test only cycle. Imho. Feel free to pm me
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/the...
Listen to this man he knows his shit!!!!
thanks for all suggestions, people here are really helpful/
cdaddy7No orals. No injectables. Train hard and diet right and give ur body a chance to grow natural. Ur natural test levels are optimal at this point. You have plenty of time to introduce gear into the game. Just not now
zewiYour too young. However, I don't want you to fuck.yourself do injection. And go do research go look at the pct section other cycles . You are also missing an AI. Imo your too young eat right and you will ne fine in the meantime do research. For the next few more years before you start.
Anonto young come back for cycle help in another 3 years at minimum and oral cycles arent even cycles cuz all cycles are based on test bro! you dont eat a burger with no buns do you!? exactly! eat every 2-3 hours use some creatine and protein powder abd beast it in gym
MultipurposeYou're a little young to cycle, you should still have high natural test but I won't hold that against you. Oral only cycles are a bad idea since the will shut down your natural test and leave you feeling like crap. Test e only is a good first cycle at 500mg a week split, and no need to frontload, just 1-12, 500mg test e and you'll be more than happy if you increase your protein intake and calories. pct should be two weeks after your last shot,4 week pct nolva 40/40/20/20mg and clomid 100/100/50/50mg