+ 1 first 19-nor cycle plans
okay so this will be my 3rd cycle, 1st was dbol 35mg ed and test e 500mg/wk, 2nd was 600mg test e and 600 mg EQ wk kicked for 3 weeks with npp at 75mg eod (retarded i know) and tapered the last 3 weeks with 50mgs winny a day. i definitly have been overeager and shouldve taken my time, addng compounds one at a time because its a marathon not a sprint ive come to realize. im in this for the long haul, and dont plan on stoppng any time soon so theres no rush.
im 28 years old, 6'1", and currently 210lbs. i dont know my exact bf percentage but it cant be over 14%, absolute tops (aiming high). my goal for this cycle is to bulk hard, but clean if that makes any sense. lots of healthy fats, slow digesting carbs, plenty of protein from lean meat like fish and chicken with red meat a few times a week, and paying strict attention to daily nutrient intake will be my diet in a nutshell. im finishing post cycle on thursday and diving into the fascinating world of once again researchng and planning out my next cycle which so far will go as follows
weeks 1-4 40mg dbol ed
weeks 1-12 300mg deca
weeks 1-15 600mg test e
weeks 1-15 arimidex @ .5mg e3d, eod if high estro symptoms arise
weeks 2-15 caber @ .25mg e3d, .5 e3d if prolactin sides pop up
weeks 15-17 hcg at 500 iu's ed for 10 days, last pin 4 days before pct begins
post cycle is so far as follows
weeks 17-21 toremifene 120/90/60/30, clomid 100/100/50/50, caber .25/.5mg e3d, and aromasin 6.25 ed. also intimidate d aspartic acid ed and unleashed 4x daily.
i dont want to begin pct until a solid 5 weeks after my last deca pin, ive heard many say run test only 2 weeks longer but others say personal experience has shown them waiting 3 weeks is better. rather be safe than sorry i guess. i'll be havng bloods drawn in another 8 weeks or so to be sure im recovering and all is well, and then again in late october. unfortunately i dont have baseline levels to go off of, so octobers test will be my base.
this whole cycle and timing is based on the assumption my bloods come back favorable!! i welcome any feedback, advise, and comments ... unless theyre negative, then you can go pound sand lmao. seriously tho, lemme know what you brothas think, thanks guys
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I like your attitude on the post bro you get +3 for that
Also i agree with nov to lengthen the run and also with Js safety plan....... ALWAYS but ALWAYS think uber safety when running 19s and you will be ok.. you can drop test and deca in the same pin to save pinning twice and just watch how you go with water bloat if this is your first time with D/bol..... i would prefer you did a prop kicker instead for a powerful dry, gyno free start to this run.
hey thanks vike, it makes me feel almost honored to have your presence in this thread or that you were even brave enough to venture into the steroid cycles category lol. for real though, i appreciate your time and all the advise and wisdom youre willing to share with us common folk haha.
i really did think long and hard about a prop kicker, but i "decided" against it mainpy because i already have a shitton of dbol patiently waiting, but also because the job im working on now leaves very little room for any type of pip. i know thats some pussy shit lmao but in my line of work you simply cannot be limpng around and still perform ya know? petty i know, but very real to me. i have ran dbol before, gained a ton of water weight from it but also had no AI and ate insane amnts of sodium on a daily basis. i think this time knowng what i know now about how and what to eat, plus the use of an AI in the door, will bury an gyno risks. what i am going to do though if i do decide to stick with the dbol is lower the dose to 30mgs ed.
Alright ... sounds like you have this down bro :).... have a great cycle keep us updated and slam some progress pics up...... show the boys how to run a 19 cycle properly ok
Make sure to continue caber through pct. Prolactin suppresses the pituitary which is our bodies way of signaling the testes to produce testosterone. This is why deca has a rep of making balls get smaller!
4 things I highly recommend on a deca cycle is: AI, caber, proviron and HCG.
AI to control estro (you might need higher dose than normal due to increased aromotisation)
Caber to control prolactin
proviron to keep sex drive high and estro low
HCG to reduce shutdown severity
what dosing do you think would be best to start with and then ramp up to if need be? ive yet to use arimidex, but will be this time almost entirely because of the things you've said about it vs aromasin to be honest with ya man. plus aromasin i had a lot of difficulty dosing and believe its exactly as you said, metabolized at different rates in diff ppl. the analogy of oxy for a headache when simple ibuprofen will do is what really sold mr, plus my own experience with a-sin was just overall unpleasant, too many ups and downs.
and the hcg, i assume your referring to using it on cycle as well? i plan on blasting it pre-pct for 10 days however i understnd that will spike estro and that might not be ideal coming into pct. i think with careful attention to AI dosing and listening to my body i can keep it in check. what sort of hcg protocol would you recommend homie? thanks a lot for chimin in to help me out bro
You can try adex at 0.25mg every other day. That's a nice neutral dose its powerful enough to keep estro low without making you too low. Of course you will need to determine this for yourself, but this should be decent for you.
I'd use adex the whole time and when you get into pct switch to 0.25mg every 3 days then every 4 days, that's an effective taper and rebound will NOT happen.
I'd use hcg mid cycle for 4 weeks, then 2 weeks off then another 4 weeks on and start pct AFTER.
im seriously going to consider usin adex in pct rather than aromasin like you suggest - just the idea of takng 12.5mgs a day, even eod, makes my healthy, balanced range of estro cringe in terror lol. have you actually put this protocol into practice yet? from what ive been seein its something that only recently has been thought of. i mean, it makes perfect sense on paper but im just wonderin if youve gotten the chance to do it yet.
also, you say hcg 4 weeks on, 2 off, then final 4 weeks before pct ... are you talking about "standard" dosing at 250iu 2x week? much appreciated yo, for real
I been using adex in pct since before the cdaddy/zewi/gs aromasin pct was made. Works every time.
hcg yes standard 500iu/wk dose
okay cool, ima do the same thing. thanks again friend
Anytime good sir. Pm me if you ever need any help bro
AnonCaber through pct!? I never heard that before. You think it should be run every pct when you cycle a 19-nor? Thanks
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI'm extremely sensitive to prolactin, so I will always use in pct and even a few weeks after just to make sure. You will have to try and see what works best for you but yes that is what I suggest. Some people are lucky and don't get prolactin sides but as you can see each person is different in how they react.
AnonSounds great, but stretch that deca out to week 14 or 15 if you want to stop a little short of the test. Nandro takes a while to kick in, you'll do better on a longer cycle
hmmm, very good point and one i have definitly given consideration to, however ive been wary of too hard of a shutdown due to extending the deca. i doubt an extra 2 weeks will make that much of a difference as far as shutdown is concerned now that you mention it though, and the full benefits of the nandrolone taking effect seem to outweigh the chance of a harder shutdown ... seems to be a risk to reward type deal. thanks for your input my man, i really appreciate it homie
Will want to follow this as in thinking of doing a similar cycle for my second venture out minus the d bol.
Recovery though puts me of f as it s aparantly a bitch to recover from
i hear ya brother, i was actually going to run deca my 2nd cycle in place of the EQ and at the last minute decided to go with EQ for that exact reason! but as lomg as the deconate ester is given plenty of time to clear and aggressive, proper pct is in place im confident evrythng will be straight