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Finally figured out my cycle

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So I've been contemplating what I was gonna do for this cycle. Asked before for advice and finally got it dialed in I think. Any advice would be appreciated. Especially people who have run the same stack.

Weeks 1-12

400mg test e+c mix per week eod
100mg npp per week eod
25mg dbol daily split in 2 doses (weeks 4-8)

Weeks 13-24

400mg test e+c mix a week eod
100 masteron e a weeks eod
25mg proviron daily (weeks 15-19)

My doses are low on some injectables because I've never tried them before. So just testing the waters. I also am deathly afraid of large needles so I'm trying to keep the amount of liquid down to something I can fit in an insulin needle.

Let me know what you think or if you have any advice on tweaking the stack!

TheFlash85's picture

hey bro, finally figured it out? looking for co-signs? or your looking for a real cycle?

Jockstrap's picture

This post and your replies sound sketch af. Bulk 12 cut 12, slin pin, afraid....naaaa. Catfishy here

Steeltoad777's picture

Test/nandrolone/dbol is the only combination of aas that I've done that gives me gyno problems. I've never had an issue. Ever. Except... TEst/deca/dbol.

Even with those dosages... id be prepared for gyno. I never use AIs. I'll use mast sometimes but I've experimented with compounds /dosages enough to know how my body responds. If you don't know... be careful with this combo!

VerminExtreme's picture

I have a bunch of clomid on hand and am ordering arimadex before I start. I always worry about gyno, but have never had a problem with it.

CRAZY DOSER's picture

I think you’re looking at this the wrong way. Steroids aren’t like pizza toppings You don’t need to yjust "test the waters" and choose something randomly. Each injection has a powerful impact on your hormone system, even in the small doses you mentioned.
Every 100 mg of NPP or Masteron puts stress on your glands without providing significant results.

There’s already a ton of information available on each steroid used in cycles. Decades of use have established clear patterns and specifics of their effects. What exactly are you trying to "test" if all this knowledge is already available? You just need to process and apply it. Reevaluate your approach—don’t burden your hormonal system for zero results.

You’re doing the right thing using insulin syringes if you lack experience, but I think you could benefit from additional information.

Regarding needles, injections, and related concerns, I invite you to my discussion page. I’ll try to post a brief guide today for people like you who face challenges with equipment and injection procedures. I’m sure you’ll find it helpful.

VerminExtreme's picture

I will definitly check it out! Thank you!

Npp was going to be for my joints to help with pain when I go higher weights. Mastering was going to be for estrogen control along with the drying effect since I tend to carry a lot of water when I bulk.

From what I can understand on my bloodwork I'm a good responder to this type of stuff so I figured I wouldn't need any high dosages.

HENCH500's picture

If your stats are correct at 5’’11 and 155lbs then you need to be looking at diet and training not steroids

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DavosD's picture

Good catch. I didnt even see that shit. Hes been on 200mg test 'trt' for years, he should be way heavier than 155lbs.

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DeeMan's picture

My man 100 grand! ...Damn 155

VerminExtreme's picture

My source for the last 6 months was bunk. Either heroically under-dosed or just straight mct oil. Source before that was p*****qo and I weighed 175-180

smurfdude1234567's picture

Didn’t you say “the bloods are good as far as I can tell” to my comment? Did you go six months on questionable gear without testing?

(Not shitting on you I’m no one’s dad, but am confused about this after your response to my comment. You would be able to tell under-dosed or bunk with a blood test way before 6 months.)

Also this comment says the last 6 months was bunk gear and before that you weighed 175-180, but the comment below says that you weigh 180 right now and the stats on your profile are from the bunk gear…? Which timeline is it?

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VerminExtreme's picture

I see the confusion. And don't worry about giving me criticism it's why I post. Sometimes you won't hear what you want to hear lol.

Right now I'm at 180. Before the bunk gear I was 175-180. When I was on the bunk gear I weighed 155, which is when I signed up for this site. Just haven't updated it.

Bloods for the gear I'm on NOW are good. When I was in the bunk gear I was out of state for work for 6 months and only had access to the stuff on hand since my source was local. I also didn't run bloods for that because I was out of coverage for my insurance and didn't have the time to drive a few hours to the city if I wasn't experiencing any negative side effects. I had a friend on the same bunk stuff getting bloods and his weren't bad just low. So I went off those tests.

That situation is what started me finding this site.

smurfdude1234567's picture

Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation I figured that was the case, but the way it was worded made me confused!

Is 200mg your trt dose through a doctor, or is that what you decided to start yourself on after the low T levels, and if the doc route why did you stop getting script T as well? What does 200mg put you at out of curiosity? 120 puts me at 700-900.

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VerminExtreme's picture

Last source I'd sit around 8-900 which is still higher. This source I'm greater than 1500. Asked for uncapped tests but they gave me those instead.

I never got a doctor prescription beaded on the horror story's that my friends had using the clinics out here. If you aren't transgender it's hard to get hormones lol. I just checked my levels and adjusted till I was in range. I think I'm getting better results this source because I'm much better at pinning and I almost never see anything leak out anymore.

VerminExtreme's picture

so here's some back story

Diagnosed low t a couple years ago. Weighed in at 130lbs. Eating 3 meals a day about 3000 calories. Working out 1-2 days a week. I work construction 8-12 hours a day as well so my lifestyle is super active as it is.

Since then I've been on 200mg of test e a week, workout 4 days on 1 day off, and have bumped my calorie intake up to about 5000 eating 4-5 times a day. Those stats are from when I got bunk gear before coming here. Right now I'm at ~180lbs.

0newheelup's picture

I think everone is on point here. Ur weight is what was catching my eye. Might want to update ur stats. Be sure to add some tudca if u decide to run the orals. And remember to keep it simple, eat, and enjoy ur workouts.

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0newheelup's picture

Thats alot of pinning for someone not liking to pin. What is ur goal for this type of cycle and have u any experience w these products or pin schedule? Only asking after looking at ur stats.

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VerminExtreme's picture

Just paranoid of my levels fluctuating too much so I like to stick to eod. Sometimes you just gotta suck it up. If I don't feel like doing it my gf pins me too so it's not to bad.

New products would be npp and the mast. Hence the low dosage and at separate times.

Been doing this for 2 years now. Pinning Eod. No issues yet. Only used dbol (4-6 weeks during bulk) and test e +c. Figured it's time to try something new.

Drexyl's picture

Bump up the npp, up and run mast the whole time, run the dbol weeks 1-4, drop the proviron. I’m in board with lower dosages, the mast is ok for e2 control at that dose, npp is just too low period. Even though your doses are low, the d suggest staying up on bloodwork, 24 weeks is almost 6 months, you’re going to have some elevated values. And… enjoy!

Steeltoad777's picture

This ^^^^
Drexyl stay on point

Drexyl's picture

Gotta look out for each other here, I’d appreciate the advice on f someone saw something goofy I was doing.

VerminExtreme's picture

This!^

Drexyl's picture

Sorry for the autocorrect screw up, was a busy day yesterday lol

VerminExtreme's picture

All good. I was driving and replying so I'm sure I have many errors lol

VerminExtreme's picture

12 weeks bulk 12 weeks cut. Then cruise for about 4-6 is what I like to do. Sounds crazy looking at it tho.

Npp was really more for joint pain than gains. When I push it on a bulk I get a lot of pain in my joints at the end of the day. I work construction as well so that definitely has something to do with it. If I ran last the whole time I'd def drop that proviron

I just posted bloods in a discussion on 200mg test e a week only. I was greater than 1500 for my test. I don't need high dosages with those numbers is my thought

Drexyl's picture

Gotcha, if it’s only for joint issues, I’d suggest deca at 100mg a week, run it the entire time. It’s legitimately prescribed for that use. Usually for 80yo women, but I’m ok with taking it lol

VerminExtreme's picture

I've contemplated it but my gf would kill me if I got deca dick. Lol

DavosD's picture

Cialis my guy

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Drexyl's picture

Again, gotcha. At 100mg a week I wouldn’t worry about it at all. If it’s a concern for you, throw 300-400mg of B6 on top of everything, you’ll be fine for sure.

VerminExtreme's picture

Thank you for the advice boss. Much appreciated.

DavosD's picture

Buy 27/28G needles, you don't feel them.

Whats the point of doing dbol in week 4-8?
Whats the point of the 25mg proviron in weeks 15-19?
Thats just random. Also when using masteron adding proviron is just useless imho. Drop it or use it in week 1-12 to slightly control water retention, don't expect much though. I'd change masteron e to masteron p if you're going to inject eod. More bang for your buck, but thats up to you.

Dbol as kickstart in week 1-4 or not at all. I'd opt for not at all since your using 2 other 'wet' compounds already.

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VerminExtreme's picture

Using 29 g rn I believe.

VerminExtreme's picture

My thoughts where to get my test levels up then put in dbol. I've had great results in the past. I could move it to the beginning tho. Usually I don't get real serious till mid way through my cycle too. That was the other reason.

For the proviron I was trying to cut extra hard. I saw a lot of people swear by it( and swear off it for that matter) so I'd figure I'd give it a go. It's cheap and easy with the oral suspension.

Steeltoad777's picture

Were you using test cyp and enanthate? Unless I front load, I'm usually not noticing my cyclebkick in until the middle as you describe. With cyp and enanthate. That's bc it's taking time for your levels to build up in your system. Dbol is commonly used specifically because it takes time for your levels to build up.

DavosD's picture

Nah bro masteron blows proviron out of water, just add extra masteron then (if you are not afraid of hairloss).

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VerminExtreme's picture

I do not need to add to my natural hair loss even tho I've accepted it lol. I'll probably just take the provision out all together. Cheaper cycle that way too lol.

FartDracula's picture

Why a test mix eod and not just bi-weekly test e if you're scared of needles? Do you just hate yourself?

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VerminExtreme's picture

Keeps the amount of fluid down per shot and eod has better stability for my levels. Just cause I don't like it doesn't mean I can't do it. Just trying to stay away from 1ml + shots

VerminExtreme's picture

Also the mix is 400mg and e is 250

FartDracula's picture

Ah, that's fair. Not a fan myself. Your traps are one of the safest areas to pin but I cannot get past the mental hangup of injecting there.

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VerminExtreme's picture

So far I'm only comfortable on my legs. Never had an issue there. Trying to figure out delts right now. Angle is weird

DavosD's picture

Ventroglutes and chest are the easiest and least painful spots to inject imo.

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smurfdude1234567's picture

So you pin SubQ? Medial Delt and Glute are two of the easiest spots. I have gotten away with SubQ test, but would never run a full cycle that way. There is less blood flow and absorption that’s just facts- although I did get similar numbers. The larger issue of abscess risk seems to appear when starting to use other compounds and larger amounts for me.

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VerminExtreme's picture

I insert the needle down to the plastic when I do. I'm not very high body fat so I thought I'd be in the muscle. I've never had bad pip except for when my oils where to cold. Is it not possible to do IM in the legs? Or do you need a much longer needle

smurfdude1234567's picture

I mean even super lean it’s going to be super shallow IM/SubQ leakage with a 1/2” or 5/8” in quads especially glutes. Even when super learn I use 1” on those spots just always feels better and absorbs more quickly, but if it’s working for you it’s working for you!

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VerminExtreme's picture

So far so good. And my bloods are good as far as I can tell. Posted them to a source today. I'm gonna try some new spots tho. Can't keep blasting the legs

VerminExtreme's picture

Also my ass is so small I don't try to pin there lol

smurfdude1234567's picture

Lol! Your glutes are 100% bigger muscles unless you’re Hank Hill as said below hahahah

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FartDracula's picture

Do you have Hank Hill ass? Lol

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