Second cycle additions
Currently gearing up for my second bulk cycle. Thinking about adding quick bulk (test p and npp) and deca for joint relief in small dose. My question for you guys is what is your preferred dosage and protocol? I've been doing research and everything says different things. So I'm just looking to see what works for you!
For reference I'll be running
400 mg test e a week (12 weeks)
25mg clomid daily (12 weeks)
50mg dbol a day (for 6 weeks mid cycle)
This cycle worked well for me in the past. Went from 135-175. Currently sitting at 170 but lost significant muscle mass due to injury, under dosed local gear, and weird living situation causing lax diet. I work construction so I have daily exercise and stayed in decent shape regardless.
Take it easy on me guys lol. I'll respond when I can.
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First off I have great respect for anyone who works in construction during the day, then goes and trains in the gym on a night - I honestly don't know how you guys do that!! Trying to gain weight also must be an absolute nightmare with the amount of food you need to consume during the day and the inevitable short periods of time you get to get food and water in you.
I would run the Test E for 16 weeks at 500mg/wk, add the NPP in at 400mg/wk. Save the Clomid for PCT. Up to you if you want to run the DBol or not, you will still get a decent weight gain on those 2 oils over that amount of time, could work well as a pre workout though before the gym - personally I like 30mg as a pre workout as 50mg is hard work with the BP spike it causes and the blood sugar drop it creates.
Richard790000Sterno man. 9 promos in 60 days. Asking now to get into another 4 more. Bfg on vacation.
I take the dbol 2x a day 9am and 3 pm. So it pretty much a pre "work" pre workout and 3pm for the end of the day. I don't drink or do drugs or do any liver toxic activity so dbol fills my void for that lol.
135 to 175 suggests no real natural effort attempted.
Backstory, before jumping on gear I spent years using supplements for testosterone boosting as that was the only way I would be able to see any real gains. Finally got diagnosed low testosterone and decided to go the cheaper route.
I've bounced up to and down from 165 naturally, but struggled with diet and consistency as life was a little wild for me. My metabolism is pretty fast as well so eating enough calories to maintain weight was difficult for a while. Finally figured out 4-6000 calories is my sweet spot for maintaining what I gain.
Ahhhh! Makes better sense now. I wouldnt run dbol 6 weeks. Good nitrogen retention but can get harsh on liver. 50mg is massive in my opinion. Ive run real pharmacy dbol at 15mg with good gains and wasnt waterry with bp issues.
I think last cycle was 40mg for 6 weeks. Split 2x a day, morning night. I went that high because the pills were 20mg and a bitch to break apart. I got liquid oral dbol now so I suppose I could dial down the dose. I haven't drank or done anything liver toxic besides the dbol in 5+ years. So I push my limits with the orals lol. Last cycle tho no sides from that dose. It was from p*****qo tho so I know they can be hit or miss.
The quick bulk is amazing. The NPP provided me with plenty of joint relief. Some claim it doesn’t, though I’m not sure how the mechanism for joint relief would be different just because the nandrolone has a different ester attached. You don’t need much of that stuff to get great results. I went from ~195 to ~230 on it. Ran it at only 0.4ml a day with some primo. That before/after is in my pics somewhere.
My next bulk will also be Quick bulk + primo but at higher doses, since I’m now bigger. I have 10 vials of it currently and 13 of his primo.
That's what I'm reading as well. Only some people get joint relief others nothing at all. Leaves me wondering what the difference is or if it's other compounds mixing with it that cancels the effects.
I think I'm leaning toward the quick bulk only then add deca next cycle or replace npp with deca if it doesn't help. Was gonna do .2-.4 eod to start and adjust as needed.
Its my belief that the main factor as to why NPP/Deca helps joint pain is because of the Progesterone increase that it causes in males, its basically the best natural pain killer in the body for joint pain and helping dry joints. This is why when women hit the menopause and their progesterone levels crash their joints really hurt. Along the same lines as estrogen increases, but progesterone is stronger.
Idk if this helps. But j used a deca 200 npp 150 blend from a lab that's got its trademark mythical animal up everywhere on this site now.
I thought it'd kick in quick with joint relief due to the npp. Nope still took 3-4 weeks. But once it did. I still don't have joint pain to this day. That was in March, April. So something got better during that time also.
anvilNpp and deca are different esters and currently being looked at, as npp never really reaches peak serum levels like the deca esters. This is theorized as the reason people like myself who cannot tolerate deca but at fine on npp. I get the synovial fluid relief from the npp at 100mg pw.
Yeah deca sides are a little more intense than npp from what I'm reading. Not trying to blast too much of a new compound for the first time. Might just start with npp nand work from there. Also will probably just get the npp alone and hold off on the test p.
Not to jump in your Convo. That's a good idea separate compounds for first time. To truly see the reaction. I've made the mistake myself in the past for the sake of saving money, of buying blends. That was b4 i was a member in here and paying more for things.
All good buddy. I appreciate the responses and learning about your experience. I get a little excited with all this stuff because I was always a small kid lol. But I have to slow my roll sometimes and do things the safe way. No use messing up my body this early in the game.
Bro your preaching to the choir. I'm like a kid in a candy store talking about juice, ordering juice, doing it. I love working out first. And this just enhances it and makes it that much more interesting and fun.
Just don't forget to put your food, rest, and training first, juice 4th. 2000mg. A week will do nothing without a caloric surplus.
I’d pin it ED. I think the NPP can get by with eod but the test prop really needs to be done ED. You want stability and the half-life of test p is ~19 hours. So if you pin Monday morning come Wednesday morning you’re at <1/4 of hormone now when you inject again. Massive hormone fluctuations usually lead to the negative sides
Fair enough. I just have read it wrong though I had longer with the prop. I can adjust that accordingly easily.