posted Fri, 01/04/2013 - 16:27
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Deca sust winny
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Looking for some advice on layout:
Want to cut up
Have done 4 cycles (2) deca sust dbol
(2) deca test e winny
Stats: 5'8 204 lbs 12%bf
10 week cycle
1-4 test prop 100 mg eod
1-10 deca 400 mg/ week split mon/thurs
1-10 sustanon 500 mg / week split mon/ thurs
4-10 winny 40mg Ed 1 hour prior to workout
Ai -aromasin throughout cycle into pct
PCT - clomid 100/75/50/25
Nolva- 40/40/20/20
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Anonbro your bf need to be 10% 0r lower for winny to perform its best
Isn't that winny a little low
Ok so a couple things here, personally the sust has short esters in it so I wouldnt run the prop but thats my preference. deca and sust are both ideally ran for 12 weeks for best results. deca is usually stopped 2 weeks prior to last test injection but with the deconate ester in sust you would be fine 1 week earlier. winstrol and deca? really not a good combo in my opinion, deca is wet winstrol is dry, and your BF% is already to high to be getting the best results out of winny.
1-13 sust 500mg/w
1-12 deca 400mg/w
depending upon your goals substitute winny for a different compound
Cutting? Not with that high of deca. Need caber.
1-4 prop 100
1-10 deca 250
1-10 sust 500
11-13 prop 100
9-13 Winny 50
Suggest gs/cdaddy/zewi pct
Caber thru week 11 .25e3d
im confused why everybody is suggesting winny with 12% BF and running sust and deca both compounds known for water.
He's at 12% now and could easily be below 10% by time he adds Winny. Winny will lower sbgh making the test more effective. Sust for me worked nicely at cutting and i stayed dry. Took me from 194 &12% to 205 & below 10% last January. Low deca stack is a cutter. If he was up at 350/500 he'd hold water with deca but 250 should be manageable with good ai/low salt. Other forums by op....tried to convince him of other stacks if he runs longer cycle. Short Esters of course if he runs 8-10Weeks.
If he ran 10 Weeks id suggest prop/mast/var. Again, its against the norm for some to think of mast/var at 12% bf but several times for me starting at 12% and adding mast melted the fat off quickly. Ultimately, diet means everything for this op.
well at the bare minimum i would advise the OP that winny at his current BF% is a waste of money, and if he cant get it down by week 9 to not use it.
Very true!
OP....IF you didn't get your bf below 9% then hold the Winny for next time. If this cycle is for summer beach body then there's more than enough time to get bf% below 10% and run a sweet 8wk cycle. Less stress on the whole body and the results will be very clearly apparent. In addition, I'd hope you do plenty research on 19 nors prior.
Why not have him drop the deca all together and run npp? He's already gonna be pinning all the time anyways.
I'm gonna start my cutter on monday. I'm pretty excited. Holidays are over and it's time to burn off this Mac n cheese.
What r you guys using to cut up?
Test prop, tren a, mast prop, hgh, tons of lean meat and low on the carbs. 5 days of cardio. Most importantly, no beer and lots of rest.
Prop/mast/var. Cycling carbs. Lots of low impact cardio. No cheap carbs....complex only.
R u running this 8-10 weeks ? What doses ?
http://www.eroids.com/ebc/fallwinter-cutter-2012
Running 10Weeks to cut fat. Added mass as well. Ebc n rehab pic shows August til last week. On this 10week cycle i dropped down to 178 then changed diet and added 4solid pounds.
1-8 prop150eod
1-10 mast prop 150
6-10 var 50/split
8-10 prop 75
Aromasin 12.5 daily
Zewi/gs/cdaddy pct will be used after ebc
Last 2 Weeks i lowered the test for water drop because final pix. By week 8 if you're dry, then hold the levels. Of course if you run this cycle starting at/below 10%bf you'll finish hard/dry/awesome. You can see similar cycles in other folks in the ebc because i helped many of the competitors with their cycles.
Hahahaha! High five! Work the foods and summer will be pimpin!!
Honestly....I'm cutting right now and I'd have short ester cutters and killer diet.
What dose for npp
I think you could run it at 75-100mg eod and do well with it. Ideally, you would want to run it ed but eod pinnings have shown good results in a lot of guys. Npp will give you solid, clean gains where as deca can puff you up. Personally, I run all 19nor compounds at short esters. Just easier to control if the negative sides become too much. Still need to run caber as you would with deca.
Suggest split Winny as well. The pumps it gives me are insane. Have to depump to finish workout.