posted Thu, 08/29/2013 - 05:23
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This is my third cycle. Was planning on running deca but am debating on holding off as both first and second cycle i lost not all, but most of my rrsults. so i was thinking of running some var and maybe mast since normally its easier for me to lose fat than gain muscle. im not where id like to be on bf area but i also would like to weigh more as well. So i wasnt sure if running a "cutting" cycle would be smart to do before running a bulk cycle like deca. i just think resylts from var would be easier to keep.
also i plan on running a torem/nolva/aromasin pct as many have fold me a lot of the problems i have come across are from clomid.
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One thing I found difficult my first two cycles was limiting salt intake. Not sure but this may be a lot of why you seem gain a significant amount of water weight that falls off after cycle. Also to keep the muscle mass coming you have to continually add calories throughout the the cycle to keep growing. The below is just an example of how the calories need to be in linear progression. BW=Bodyweight CI= Caloric Intake
Week1............Week2..........Week3...........Week4...........Week5.........Week6..........ETC.
BW: 175.........BW: 177........BW: 180........BW: 182........BW: 185.......BW= 187
CI: 3025.........CI: 3100........CI: 3175........CI: 3250.........CI: 3325.......CI: 3400
The above is just a visual reference showing that as your bodyweight climbs your caloric needs do also.
If your calories do not increase you can still add scale weight dependant on your diet and sodium intake but it will not be muscle. Sorry for getting off topic but did not know if you realized this.
Naw i appreciate it playa. +1
Well bro it seems the norm (me included) is to do a bulk for a winter cycle and then cut for summer. If you really don't have any problems shedding fat then you could even get away with a dirty bulk and pack on as much size as you can. Run a short 8 week prop cutter for summer. Just an idea!
I tried putting on size the first 2 cycles but seem to lose most of it. i get up about 20 lbs heavier, then i keep about 5 n barely any strength n my muscles dont appear denser or anything.
Keeping 5 lbs of quality weight a cycle is still pretty dang good. Very unlikely you could have gained that much quality muscle in that short amount of time just training naturally. If you could gain 5 or so pounds of quality weight in a 12 week timeframe naturally there would be no need for you to be using AAS right now.
I was talking about on cycle lol. Idk i just see ppl on here with tremendous transfermations n then i look at myself n im like, wow i look damn near the same
You will usually lose some of your gains. To lose 75% gains not necessary if you do the right things. First and foremost is to keep or diet as if you were on cycle. You must stick with a workout routine is just as intense also. Too many times guys get off of cycle and let those things go. Creatine Is a good off cycle supplement to help keep your gains. Personally this is where I think peptides really have their use. I would run GHPR 2or 6 along with CJC1295 without dac. You can run these things the entire time you're off cycle. Plus they are good for the sex drive too!
What do those do? I never have a problem with my sex drive lol. But some of the issues i encountered during pct ppl said they had the same issues n which is y they dont use clomid any more. With deca being a harder shut down i was a bit nervous but i think ill give it a go. i ALWAYS work out hard on or off cycle, diet isnt as good pct n off cycke as i seem to not have an appetite. Did you ever go through similsr shit during pct when u firsg got on?
Let me get back to you bro! I'm barreling down the interstate and I'm afraid I'm going to kill myself or somebody else. Go and read about those peptides and I'll try to get back on after the road trip! I want to help but I can't talk and text everything because it keeps fucking up my words.
Agreed!
Pelon: without knowing your goals or what specific look you are going for @ 175 I would consider putting on a stable 15-20 lbs before going for cut
Im about 180 with 12%bf id say. I would like to be 200 and 8% bf but it seems like each cycle is a waste as i get huge and then it all falls off. u think i would be ok with deca?
Many fall short due to improper (or no) PCT and falling victim to post cycle depression and not maintaining the discipline POST cycle by keeping up on diet and training
The first cycle i felt i was depressed for months. second cycle maybe a week or 2.anything i can do to counter this? I am a very disciplined person n stay working out hard n evrrything. Idk y i cant seem to keep my gains. Or gain muscle lose fat instead of juat getting bigger. I watch what i eat n everythinv
Lotsa variable bro, waterweight, AI used, diet, proper cals, post cycle regiment...
...but no I don't think deca is the answer, you will gain significant water
what were your previous cycles, yoiu said you were super depressed 1st cycle so I think we can make the call on that one, if you were running deca on the second then yes of course you dropped a ton of water weight post cycle
TBH I find it hard to believe you lose EVERYTHING! Even if you kept 3lbs per cycle you would be up 6lbs and at that rate of gain you could be up 15lbs in 3 more cycles... this isn't magic bro
First cycle i didnt use proper ai n started pct at the wrong time. Test 500 for 10 weeks
second cycle i did 12 weeks test 650-750 with t bol kickstart
No i didnt lose EVERYTHING just lost more than i kept lol.
if u dont like the deca route for this third cycle what do u suggest? I alrrsdy have one vial of deca thats y i was thinking of just using it up
bro 1 vial of deca ain't worth a go...
stay with the straight test cycle til you work the bugs out bro, why would you throw another compound in the mix when you are still figuring out you body on test?
I do feel that bro. I was jw maybe another compound would give better results i guess. Just want the gains
Looking like his post cycle diet is in need of some TLC brudda....
Ya it was very difficult for me to eat, was very stressed, no appetite, few ppl mentioned that n some of the other sides i were exoeriencing were due to clomid. Anothed problem i know it sounds dumb is during pct i ate VERY clean. On cycle i ate anything n evrrything (not much fats or sweets) but any carb, protein i tackled it trying to gain as much as i can so even if i lose a lot i still kept a lot