4th Cycle, thinking of Doing a Test + Deca stack, also question about Finasteride
Done three cycles with my third being a cutting cycle. I am in PCT at the moment so I wouldn't be able to do my next cycle until like end of June approximately. Anyways, I was thinking of doing a cycle of:
300 MG Test E + 300 MG of Deca a week for 10 weeks, this would be a mass building cycle.
1) I have done one bulking cycle at 600 MG Test E a week for 10 weeks (My first cycle was only 500 MG), how would 600 MG Test E per week compare to the above stacked cycle? Would I see a significant increase in mass compared to just a straight Testosterone cycle? (Typically during buiking on Test E 600 MG I added about 9-11 LBs lean mass).
2) I don't seem to suffer from side effects of straight Test cycles. (I have taken an AI but last cycle I limited its use to almost nill) I rarely have much water retention, I don't get gyno sides, and I don't get acne. Still since Deca doesn't aromatize like a straight Test would I still be needing to do an AI like Armidex EOD? I would still have it on hand regardless.
3) What is the effects on Finasteride 1 MG a day + Deca? I have heard it converts into something that is extremely harsh on the hair. In other words, you don't want to mix the two. Is there any truth to this? If so, from what I have read the half life of 1 MG Finasteride is around 6 hours. Would you need to cycle off this like a month prior or would a few days before be fine? I have heard Finasteride can have lasting effects but I have not encountered this.
4) Would anyone recommend any changes to the above? I haven't mentioned PCT yet but typically for test cycle I have done the 40 / 40 /20 / 20 100 100 50 50 (Tamox, Clomid)
5) If anyone wants to see my latest pictures too I have some that are about a week old.
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The main goal is simply to add on more mass. I want to build more size.
If you can put on 9-11 lbs of LBM on a cycle of 600mg test e, I would just stick with that. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it. Keep it simple until you stop responding favorably and then pull a new tool out of the toolbox.
This is exactly one thing I was thinking of. By adding Deca, I was trying to weigh the risk vs reward. If I can do about 8 LBS LBM on a 600 MG Test E I would want to be able to do like double that if I did a 12+ week cycle with Deca. (Especially considering the harder shutdown and HCG requirement for PCT)
When using Deca with Test, what kind of LBM should you expect?
Good comments below! You did not mention what your third cycle was but I am assuming it was a test cycle. I hope anyhow! For your 4th cycle I would run an Eq one. Deca is great but there is still so much to learn about your body and how it reacts to various compounds. Deca for instance is very hard on the HPTA and takes a while to recover from. I think you would find the effects of Eqipoise to be very satisfying. Consider running a 750 of Sust and a 750 or so of Equipoise for 16 weeks. That would be a much better stepping stone than jumping to Deca so soon. Especially at your age. I say that because you wan't to maximize gains on every cycle which means growing into them if that makes any sense. You are still young enough to see huge gains from simpler cycles. Judging by your pictures you have a great frame and a hell of a physique....don't rush into things by throwing large amounts of gear at it that you do not need yet.
PM me and lets look at the possibilities.
Yes my 3rd cycle was 600 MG Test E. I only considered it cutting because during cycle I increased cardio and cut carb intake down while increasing Protein and Healthy fats. It worked out great to say the least my veins are popping so much now I have had comments in the gym from people like WTF are you on.
When you mention my age I am 30 almost 31 now I should mention. I think my profile I created when I was 28 so that may be the only inconsistency in the stats.
My only concern with Sustanon is due to the Prop I heard you need to pin EOD to maximize keeping blood levels full of test. Thats why I tend to prefer longer esters. I don't know a ton about EQ yet either or the pinning protocol on it.
First off, consider running your test:deca at a 1.5:1 ratio, this helps minimize the sides and will definitely help avoid "deca Dick" to some extent. I say some extent because everyone reacts differently anyhow, I always ran deca lower than test, but sometimes by a lower ratio and still got on fine.
Your cycle length is also too short. You need to drop deca two weeks before test, so using deca for only 8 weeks is a waste. Consider running test for 14 weeks and deca for 12.
1) or just extend your test only cycle to 12 weeks. If you're hell bent on running a 10 weeker, consider using shorts.
2) keep the AI on hand, but when messing with 19 Nors you also need to have caber/prami on hand as well to combat prolactin sides due to 19nor use.
3) someone else will chime in as I have no fina experience.
Ok this I agree with. I have been reading that Deca doesn't really kick in till about week 8. So if I did a 14 week cycle (12 of it being Deca) what kind of dosage would you recommend? 450 MG Test E and 300 Deca? (Increasing my original proposed cycle to the 1.5 ratio)
What kind of gains would you expect? Like how much LBM have you added during a deca cycle?
i think your dosage is fine, and it's at a good ratio. Again my dosages will differ than yours, so you have to find what will work best for you. I think that's a great start, and you can always up the test a little if you fee you're not getting the most out of it.
I do dirty bulks always up to this point, so my goals may be different than what you're going to get. I usually manage to keep about 60-65% of my gains off a deca cycle once the water comes off. What ends up working for me is that once I come off cycle, I try to add an extra meal in, or divide up another 200-300 calories accross my meals.
Also, always, always, readjust your diet. Eating say 3000KCals in the beginning, does not mean you will eat 3000Kcals throughout the entire cycle. Always reevaluate where you are weekly, and add in KCals every week to meet your new weight and gaining goals.
Everything you outlined is exactly what I was gonna say. But you said it better. ;)
Viking told me yesterday that finasteride was fine on cycle. Not sure about the dosage though. More test, more dht...
I have taken Finasteride for about 2 years and only once lapsed about 10 days at 1 MG a day. On test cycles I don't notice a difference. In all honestly, I have slight thinning in the crown but it is extremely minor so I am not as prone to MPB as other males are. Thats why I considered to just stop it for the cycle if it would conflict with Deca.
I also heard Test E + EQ is a better route then deca. I don't know much about EQ yet as I am still researching and reading. If anyone wants to add some information I will gladly read it. Anyways, tossing all this out here because knowledge is power and I want to think about what I want to do for a few months and gather as much information as possible.
I could possibly just be better off running 600 MG Test E's but I am not sure yet.
Hey Bro, im in the same boat as you at the min only previously ran test and decided which is the best second compound for me personally to add for my next cycle.
Im predisposed to hairloss but wont touch those DHT inhibitors, cause of the possible sides even though its a minimal chance.
And ive read that EQ is easier on the hairline than test and also causes less bloat. So i plan on doing a 250MG test + 600MG EQ, previously only ran 500mg Test.
IMO the main problem with what youve suggested so far is the Length of the cycle, both EQ and deca are long esters. You need to either up the length of the cycle or opt for NPP or Bold Cyp instead.
Was tempted by deca for the joint support but il do this EQ cycle first then maybe add some low dose deca to the following one if i still have joint issues on EQ..
Hope this helped in some way lol, g/l with the cycle brother