4th cycle help ????
Age: 27
Height:5'11
Current weight:185 lbs.
BF%: 14%
1st cycle was sust 250mg 1 x week 1-8 weeks
my 2nd cycle was test E 300 2 x week 1-12weeks
deca 200 2 x week 1-10 weeks
dbol 40mg ed 1-4 weeks
hcg 250iu 2 x week 3-12
arimidex 0.25 ed 1-12
plus pct hcg clomid and nolvadex
3rd cycle
test cyp 300mg 2 x week 1-14
deca 600mg 1 x week 1-2
deca 400mg 1 x week 3-12
dbol 40mg ed 1-4
arimidex 0.5 eod 1-14
hcg 250iu 2 x week 2-14
plus pct hcg clomid and nolvadex week 17-20
I want run my 4th cycle
hgh 5iu ed 6 on 1 off 7 weeks prior to cycle
hgh 10iu ed during cycle and 10iu ed 6 on 1 off 4 month after cycle
sus 250mg 3 x week 1 - 16 =750 mg
eq 300mg 2 x week 1 - 18 = 600 mg
anavar 70mg ed 10-18
arimidex 0.25 eod 1-18
hcg 250iu 2 x week 2-18
plus pct hcg 500iu ed for 10 days 4 days after last shots
clomid and nolvadex week 21-23
what you guy think help pls ?????????????????????
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tanks All. what you guys think of this
hgh 5iu ed 6 on 1 off 7 weeks prior to cycle
hgh 4iu ed during cycle and 10iu ed 4 month after cycle
arimidex 0.25 eod 1-16
dbol 40mg ed 1-4
Test e @600 weeks 1-16
Eq @ 600 weeks 1-16
plus pct hcg 500iu ed for 10 days 4 days after last shots
clomid and nolvadex week 20-22
what you guy think help pls ?????????????????????
You've never done a test/eq run before. Just do that say;
Test e @750 weeks 1-18
Eq @ 600 weeks 1-16
Pct weeks 20-24
Could kick start with prop @ 150 ed weeks 1-4. There will be so much esterfied test and eq that I don't think you need to tail off with prop IMO.
Pct/hcg/ai below
More importantly eat like a lion, rip up the gym and try not to break your misses;)
Over complicated imo for a fouth cycle... maybe i am in a bad mood but seems to me you are just loading up with compounds just for the sake of it... Cmon bro ease the fuck back a little and concentrate on the basics... trust in yourself not in a truck load of HGH and steroids... shit! come live with me for 1 week i will blow you up to fuck without any of this stuff :(
ill come live with you for a week to learn more... (:
tread-mThat's a nice point brother, I mean you're in a bad mood, that point. Lolol...no very good points and honestly when I saw his weight I thought first "hold up cowboy, something not right at 5'11" and 185". As I read down I realized he had been at 140 beginning the cycle world so felt a tad better about the 185. It is getting complicated up there! Lol. I think right now he's running scared, he thinks you're pissed and literally want to "blow him up" as in hook a charge up to his ass and rage out while you 4th of july his ass. Once he realizes you'll just feed him properly and likely even have a lot of hookers over for his entertainment I thi nk he'll come around.
Lmao! ahh you know me well brother... soon as i see T3 and a load of peptides the alarm bells start screaming... wouldnt be too bad if i could speak to some of these guys face up but i fear words can be misconstrued on here especially with foreigners that dont fully understand what we are trying to put across! i just cant bin my OCD on safe practice... hell! i look after some of these guys better than i look after myself lol.
Fourth of July and hookers! Bwuhahaha!
tread-mI don't oppose the Eq run but I'd question the hgh use and no mention of T-4. I don't like running above 2 or 3 off cycle as the axis simply cannot make the balance, its just a waste IMO. If the hgh is quality and especially for a newer hgh user, 5 is the max on cycle for you again IMO. Post cycle we drop it back to 2/3. I don't mind F48's run there but I'm opposed to hcg in the post outside of a week maybe.
I want to use t3 10mcg for each 1iu
tread-mThe suppression occurs at the T-4 level so if you use T-3 you still have suppressed T-4 driving TSH up in positive feedback loop...its T-4 brother. None running under 3 iu's hgh then 10 mcg's per iu from there up until you can roadmap it through bloods. Don't elevate it, balance it..
One small slip with thyroid and you'll be on pills for life. Thyroid is the new fad....
Wise words mate. Take it from a man that had a heart murmur as a result of an overactive thyroid and felt like £$"! for 3 or 4 years. I now take levothyroxine for life.
for your assurance, t4 is much weaker and safer than t3. it is partially converted to t3 in your body. at these doses you are in clear water.
switch it to t4. same dosage. 10mcg per iu for 3 iu and up.
I'd prefer the hcg run with cycle and his ai......lately it's being reported better into post. Please share as your skills are radd. I do disagree with folks lately using hcg for the full 20. Whats a proper hcg run for this one?
tread-mYeah its the lately thing given lately it changes all the time...agreed. I guess I don't have true opinion on it be it the whole run or final 2 weeks in cycle and 1 week post cycle on long ester or drop it last pin on short. My post cycle. Disagreement has been the fact that it has shown to suppress LH a bit and LH is what we're trying to reboot to prompt the natty test to fire up. Realistically I don't see the mega benefit aside of preventing atrophy in the nuts which can't hurt. You and I ran this shit small balls and all without it forever so.....I still agree, it has benefit and likley healthy in a few ways but once that nolva goes to work at the pituitary to prompt LH I like it gone. There has been a few opinions on that as well and I've been all ears and reading so this will continue to evolve I'm sure.
Ya....it was two schools of thought back then. It wasn't used or a lil blast last two Weeks just to jump start. Use as needed always seems better. Just like hitting ai from day one. Always a new thing to learn or just recreate the wheel.....
Reworking numbers for ya
1-5 dbol---optional
1-16 eq 600
1-18 test 750
16-20 prop taper....stop prop 2days before pct
20-24 pct clomid 100-100-50-50 & clomid 50-50-25-25
Hcg wks 14-24 @500iu split
Adex .25 eod and start as needed. If you use hcg til 4 days prior to pct USE YOUR AI. Hcg converts to estro.
Skip var as its a cutter and the prop is there as finisher. If you decline prop then use Winny as it will boost the test...(sbhc)
biggerthanyouLonger on clomid and nolva
explain plz ?????
Fourth cycle and only 185? Did you keep your gains? Calories? All long long long cycles. Time off between?
sgtstedankoHey! I'm "only 185" : (
Not trying to dog anyone :(. Hardgainers or those that are really cut/fit need different advice. Just had to ask....
sgtstedankoI know, brother. I don't care. Dog away... I was just fucking w/you... Absolutely right though : ) I would honestly recommend a couple of long, heavy duty primo/tests, etc, etc, etc, cycles. Assuming diet, & workouts are in order you can't not gain there. But, I am very biased
You have mad skills with primo/test. Its posdible with thst combo he gets and keeps his 10lbs and he'd bet cut cut cut!
IM A Hardgainer
yes and time on time off . I was 140 lb
Okie dokie. Kinda hardgainer then? Good gains just have to bust butt. Some of your cycle looks more of a cutter and its quite long. Long isn't necessarily bad....but whats your main goals?
i want to gain 10 more pounds of muscle derp my body fat to 6 or 9 % good diet and cardio
Since youre hardgainer i suggested dbol kicker vs prop. It will get you a lil water weight but it promots fast growth and less pins. If you weren't hardgainer prop is great. I left out var because typically eq did cut fat for me. prop at end was suggested over Winny because dbol at beginning is 17aa. Let liver rest....let prop finish.