posted Sat, 02/22/2014 - 15:55
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Thinking about doing a long cycle and want to know what you fellas think about it. Please feel free to critique or diffrent opinnions are much appreciated.
1-16 Test E 800mg week
1-18 EQ. 600 mg week
Running 3 ius hygetropin 5 days a week
HCG 500ius week
Arimidex 1 mg every 3 or 4 days
16-20 Test P 200mg EOD
16-20 winny 50 mg EOD
Pct- nolvadex 40/40/40/20
Clomid. 250 first day then 100/50/50/50
This will be my first long cycle I've done. I'm 36 6ft2 230lbs. This will be my 8th cycle. I'm open for any suggestions or help. Thanks bro's
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Hey bro's,I want to thank you for the input. I value each and every one of your opinions. I have decided to go with whynot cycle help. I'm excited and can't wait! Making my donation to grab a cpl things I need for this and I'll be G2G. Thank you all again, I will keep you updated the before, mid and afta pix along with blood work.
Don't forget to start with bloodwork.
I was wondering what did you decide on the HGH?
I decided to stay on it and bump up to 5ius 5 days a week taking the weekend off. I feel incredible on it and my sleep is awesome.
That is awesome that you decided to keep it. I personally would keep it at 3 IU and stay on it for very long time. Especially if it is pharmaceutical grade.
Ok sounds good, that's what I've been on for a while now. Yes it is pharmacy grade rhgh. I'm doing blood work next week. Then I will kick off the cycle and post pre everything.
roughneck12I known Rusty a good time. He's been doing this. I agree with him. Simplified easy way of this, I will give . I know the work schedule first hand you have.
Wk 1-17 T.E 600mg
Wk 1-16 eq 700.
Wk 14-17 var 75 Ed.
Wk 18 -20 TP 100mg eod.
Pct 3 days after last pin Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Adex .25 e3d began 4th wk. Bump up if needed.
Hcg is great for this at around wk 6 @ 500 a wk till about week 15.
Eq ran higher than test to lessen blotting and give harder vascular look.
I lowered test down because I think with spot on diet and exercise you are going to get the results you desire. I am Var in opposition to winny for the fact of Var being a better more safer compound at stripping fat after a long cycle. All IMO.
Any cycle history?
RustyhookerCorrect question to get before posting advice. Bigger is not always better.
Since you have some experience here's my suggestions.
Cut test E to 600mg Instead run Prov with it. DO more with LESS.
Up EQ to 800mg.
HGH at that dose for that duration in my opinion is not really going to do much In terms of actual gains but it will do some good for your health and well-being. So drop it or keep it based on that and financial considerations.
PCT looks great.
Drop the Winny.
I would also start with a Test P kicker at 100mg EOD for the first two weeks then 50mg EOD for the next two weeks.
Make sure you get blood work done before you start as a reference range. And make sure you take bloodwork at week six to make sure your AI is dialed in and everything else is in check.
I agree with everything here ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^... other cycle layouts on this thread are too itsy bitsy pieced together BS that can go wrong real quickly........... this is simple and highly efficient IMO and is the way i would go.
+3 best advice on the whole thread brother.
Thank you for the acknowledgment.
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RustyhookerWhats your goals? You are running huge test to running ginormous test prop. Then tossing in Winny to somehow counter the bloat? Gotta know goals.
I want a nice bulk then cut down towards the end of my cycle. I ran 600 mg and wasn't happy with my last cycle so I'm thinking on bringing up the dose to either 750 or 800mg. In the past I haven't had a problem with sides other than bloat. The arimidex has done a good job of keeping the bloat and sides away so I'll stick with that throughout my cycle. If needed I can take nolvadex but I rather not if I don't need it. I'm 6ft 228 14%. I'd like to keep a good 15lbs of muscle with less bf. I will do a short cut right before Summer to cut away anything I missed. So you think it's to much test? I prolly bring the prop down to 150 mg EOD. Tell me what you think.
RustyhookerTo finish dry you can have you eq a lil higher. Try 750. Finishing leaner comes from diet and test manipulation. Test will add the mass, water etc but then lower that test to let the eq do its job properly. 8 cycles deep can be your cliser to genetic and gear max sized so at thst point 8-12 lbs is an excellent cycle.
Prop by weight will be higher than enanthate. Again to finish dry you don't want to then add test bloat. Its up to you but i like to manipulate the test.
1-16 eq 750
1-12 test e/cyp 600
13-18 test e/cyp 300...dryout
14-20 mast prop 150eod
19-20 prop 100eod...OR leave prop out to really dry.
Pct after last pins short Esters.
Hcg is good on hand. Some guys atrophy and it can help for that. Last 4 Weeks up to pct at 500iu split. Pharma pct will be best friend in long cycles.
roughneck12Nicely done My brother F and I like the idea. It's good info I will bump and I known those compounds areas you have experience with.
Good stuff man!
RustyhookerThanks buddy! Helps him stay drier and still make his marks
. Winter bulker where you're not worried bout a finisher keep test up and eat eat eat. Lol
I'm liking this cycle. I've been on hygetropin for 6 months at 3 ius. I really want to keep running this thru out my cycle. What if I bump it up to 5 or 6 ius 5 days a week. Anything more than 6 I get sides. No problem with the money situation I just want this to be one of my better cycles. Thanks for your help bro!
RustyhookerTread is the hgh guru. I'm not studied in hgh. But yes, many guys ramp up during cycle to help the axis. Very cool you can run hgh!
I'm going tomorrow to get pre- blood work pulled. I'm checking my hg serum and IGF. I'm fasting tonight and about two hours till my visit I will hit 10 ius. Then I'll do another blood screen 6 weeks in cycle.
Are you also going to run HCG as part of PCT or is just for testicular atrophy?
I have plenty. Your thoughts on running all thru cycle and Pct?
If you have plenty of HCG def run it through. Your dosage seems pretty good. I think the half life is 3 days.
Personally how I feel with PCT and HCG, if I'm doing test e at 500mg, it'll take about 14 days since last injection for you drop below normal levels. I like to start my Nolva and adex about a week before my last injection. This way the drugs are at peak level as soon as my artificial test levels drop low. So the end of my cycle/pct will look like this
Nolva 50/50/50/40/30/20/10 ED
Adex: 1mg/1mg/.5/.5/.25 ED
Test: 500/0/0/0/0/0/0
HCG: 250/250/250/0/0/0/0 EOD
Run your hCG starting from week one of your cycle, up until about four days before PCT. Do not run it during PCT.
BuckyDentureThats kind of a long time to run HCG. The body de sensitises to it. I generally do my HCG in 4 week runs.
At high dosages it is debatable at low dosages which is what I recommend it simply does not happen. Remember hCG mimics LH so at a low dosage all it is doing is keeping your testes primed from when you are ready for PCT. Also don't forget we have LH receptors throughout the body and if those are not stimulated it's not healthy. HCG is not just for your testes.
Keep this fact in mind as well. That hCG is also used by healthcare professionals as a form of TRT with dosages exceeding what I recommend without any problems. Very successfully I might add in some individuals.
Just as a factual point also, Clomid is run at 25 mg EOD for TRT purposes as well.
That's what I thought to. If using Nolvadex and clomid I wouldn't need the HCG correct?