posted Sat, 09/12/2026 - 14:45
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I’ve just ran 12 weeks of my first ever cycle. Started at 300 test/300 primo, ran for a month and ramped up to 450 test/450 primo. I was planning on running 40 mg Nolvadex and 50 mg clomid a day for two weeks then 20mg Nolvadex/25 mg clomid a day for next two weeks. Does this sound like a good protocol or being that it’s a more mild cycle should/could I leave out the clomid and try to get away with just the Nolvadex? Any thoughts/info would be appreciated!
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12 weeks, likely 13 lbs of water. Get ready to lose it all after you come off… this is why we blast and cruise
Yes, by all means, keep that water at any cost... keep the illusion going. The younger you start the better.
Thank you for saving social security.
Did you get bloodwork done before and after?
Do you have before and after pictures?
@SeeOhShow is one the most experienced and knowledgeable in here. Nothing smug about being direct.
Yes, I got bloodwork done before and mid cycle. Only thing very slightly out of range mid cycle was HDL/LDL which I adjusted some things to account for. Waiting till after I PCT to get post labs. I will say this wasn’t a decision I made spontaneously and I’m not some 19 year old that started lifting and a few months in went right to a gram of test and 500 tren. I read and researched as much as I could for close to a year on about every compound/protocol/do’s and donts and feel like I’m being as health conscious as/smart as I can be while not wasting the cycle and honestly I’d say it’s went very well. I don’t really want to post pictures but I will say in 12 weeks I gained 13 lbs of muscle mass while simultaneously shredding off 5.5% body fat and kept all bloodwork in pretty good shape and avoided any negative side effects. To me, that’s a success.
You gained 13 lbs of muscle in 12 weeks?
According to multiple inbody scans throughout the cycle, yes.
Assuming the tests are accurate at least, which I guess I don’t for sure but I have nothing else to go off of. They claim to be very accurate at least.
Im sure you gained some lean mass if you were training and eating right, but even going from blast to cruise I piss out about 7-8lbs in about 3 weeks after coming off. I would imagine that would be amplified to a degree in your scenario coming completely off.
It's depressing, but I wouldn't panic if that happens to you in the coming weeks. It's just part of the process. Just keep eating and training and keep yourself healthy for the next to at it, if you elect to do it again.
For sure. And i expected that going into this. I know it’s unrealistic to think I’d keep 100% of gains made from first cycle and I wasn’t looking for a drastic transformation from it anyway. Enhanced or natural, consistency is king and one thing I seem to be pretty good at is discipline and consistency. I appreciate the input----
Those tests count water a LBM. So extra intramuscular water due to higher glycogen retention from 1g of gear will show as LBM gains. Does the same thing on DEXA. And In Body is extremely inaccurate in terms of absolute numbers. You can, however, use the values relative to themselves to see how much BF you dropped between scans.
Had an inbody tell me I was 7% body fat a week after it told me I was 12%, with 12% being the realistic sum. Those things are wonky.
Yup which is why if you’re going to use it relative to itself to determine how much bf you dropped, you have to control all other variables. As in, test in the exact same conditions each time. Bioelectrical impedance can vary drastically from slight differences in tissue hydration
This is the presumed 1 step back people lament about when coming off cycle.
Interesting. I didn’t know that, thanks for the info.
Is there a more trust worthy test you recommend?
Also, I don’t know if it matters but I was judging off where it lists SMM not LBM. Is it the same thing with skeletal muscle mass? They add water into that as well?
Yes. They use those interchangeably between tests. Just depends on what they wanna call it.
WHat was your E2 after that primo run? You need labs after cycle, waiting for pct is wrong. You have no idea if that cycle fucked anything up
I was thinking the same… he said 21 e2 with that ratio. I find that hard to believe but what do I know
I have no reason to lie. I’m on here asking for others experiences/knowledge/help with things. Wouldn’t do me any good to not answer questions honestly if I’m looking for help.
I’m not saying you are or accusing you ok lying. Just with such a low dose of test and high primo, that’s very much out of the ordinary. Not impossible just improbable.
I would agree with that. 1:1 ratio isn’t usually the move for most people but it worked out for me at least.
I thought the point of post cycle labs was to ensure that pct worked and you’re back to normal and the mid cycle labs is where you can tell if anything is fucked up and adjust for it earlier on whether than waiting till it’s already done?
My e2 was definitely on the low side mid cycle but still barely in range. Pre cycle it was 31, mid cycle it was 21. Didn’t have any typical low estrogen side effects, though.
You seem to be very smug.
How so? I’m humbly asking for information and experience from others while sharing the experience I’ve had on my first cycle and being met with comments offering no insight to the question I asked. Not trying to be smug at all.
Lifting for only 3 years. First cycle being test/primo at almost a gram. Smh….
Let’s see a physique pic for shits and giggles
And 1:1 test/primo ratio… betcha e2 is in the single digits
Nope, lowest it got was 21. Low end of range yes but no low e2 side effects.
Well that worked out well for ya.. ya sure it’s legit?
The e2 reading? I mean Im not a doctor of course but I went to a reputable lab and made sure to get the sensitive e2 assay to ensure accuracy and didn’t experience low libido/poor mood or any other typical low e2 signs so id say its legit.
I'm too poor for primo. I'll never get to understand these first world problems...
I’m here asking for helpful information/experience from others. Not passive smug “smh” comments. If you’ve got some actual insight on the question I’m all ears.