PCT advice
I've done a good amount of research on how to properly run pct and have a pretty good understanding of what/how to do so, however, I would really appreciate if anyone could help me clear some things up. I plan on running 500mg test e for 16 weeks, 300mg npp for the first 12 weeks, and 50mg anavar for the last 6 weeks. I have hcg, nolvadex, clomid, and arimidex on hand. From what I understand I should be waiting 14 days after my last pin to initiate a 4 week pct protocol consisting of 100/50 clomid and 40/20 nolvadex. My question is more so hcg related. Would it be more beneficial for me to run hcg on cycle and if so how much and how often. I have seen that 250iu 2x weekly is usually recommended. I have also seen some people suggest 6 week pct's regarding nor19. If it is better to do a 6 week pct would I then do 100/50 clomid and 40/20 nolvadex or would it look more like 150/100/50 clomid and 60/40/20 nolvadex. Any input is greatly appreciated
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Hcg is ran on cycle and dropped before pct. You don’t want it during pct because it increases e2 and will hinder hpta recovery.
Drop the nandrolone for the first cycle. It’ll make recovering your hpta much harder.
Most people would say drop the anavar, but honestly the sides are so different and you’re adding it after you’ll be on test for 10 weeks anyway so you’ll probably get a strong foundation of how just super physiological test feels. Anavar is a fairly mild compound I personally didn’t feel different other than I was always in the zone and my shins and calves felt like they were going to explode if I walked up a .01% grade. I don’t hate the var being in there, but you’d probably be fine with just 500 test and still get great results.
If you do plan on running nandrolone you should increase your pct duration like you mentioned, but don’t increase the dosage even further. Either to 100x4/50x2 clomid and 40x4/20x2 nolva or an even 100x3/50x3 clomid 40x3/20x3 nolva.
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I'm going to say stick with a simple Test E cycle for your first cycle if you have reactions on 3 you can't pinpoint which compound it is. Also with any nor19 you should have caber on hand. But on my pct I like to wait 3 weeks after last pin and run 100mg clomid per day and 40 of nolva split into Am/Pm doses and after 2 weeks drop it to 50mg and 20 respectively then wait another 12-16 weeks before cycling again.
I just pct off after 15 years no hcg at all and it was very successful pct with just clomid and tamoxifen. Hcg just isn’t necessary at all in my opinion
12 weeks test only and no hcg on cycle
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-...
For your First cycle i’d suggest you run test only. 3 compounds is too much for a first cycle. HCG 250 2x a week on cycle should be good, you can then blast the HCG around 1500 iu a week before starting your pct
Why? What’s your reason for taking HCG at 250iu x per week for a full cycle then then blasting 1500iu the week before you start PCT
250iu twice to prevent testicular atrophy , and 1500iu before pct to help kickstart your balls and help boost your test levels since you’d be at your lowest test levels after compounds leave your body and before starting the pct.
I do notice you recovered fully without HCG but i do believe not everyone would be able to achieve such results could be due to genetics.
Taking HCG will is suppress your HPTA taking a higher amount right before pct will do more damage than good it will just stop luteinizing hormone be produced for longer because your body will recognise it as a big influx of androgens. I get understand the argument for taking Hcg on cycle I don’t see it as a necessity my self yeah it can stop the bollocks from shrivelling up to a degree but for me this is just cosmetic because let’s be honest does PCT work better when you took hcg on cycle? In my experience no but it doesn’t make it worse either… hcg does not keep the bollocks ready to fire it just keeps them a bit bigger at best and taking a larger dosage at the end of the cycle when you have been running it through cycle will just cause the leydig cells to shrivel up even more than they already were and that’s not good because them mofos are what produce your testosterone.
My take is not clinical studies from way back when or yesterday, my take is real world experience and results seen in actual guys in the gym hitting the metal running cycles.
Not looking to discredit you or cause an argument I just enjoy real debate and I know a lot of people read reports and trials and take them for gospel when in reality it’s not always the case
I believe 1500iu weekly blasting for around 2-3 weeks before pct wouldn’t really do more harm.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-.... Dr scally’s PCT has around 2000iu eod for 20 days, 2 weeks after cycle ends which is around 8000iu weekly, i think much bigger dosages are required to really cause desensitisation. Some people prefer to do either HCG on cycle or blast after cycle, i prefer both at moderate doses because i also believe it’s better having some test from the HCG to bridge the period while the compounds are leaving my body and pct, just to reduce low test symptoms and kickstart my balls.
I personally tried PCTing, without HCG during and after cycle and i experienced a longer time for recovery and my balls took way longer to return to normal size. I don’t mind the debate that way we can all learn and recognise the reason for each others preferences, you do also have a solid recovery after going off i do have your PCT protocol and i’d run it next cycle hopefully.
Appreciate the advice. Do you know if I can pin the hcg in the same syringe as the test or does it have to be a separate shot?
Do not mix oil base with water base. You can do test and npp in one shot because they are both oil based.
That's not true. Just because oil and water don't mix doesn't mean you can't inject both together at the same time.
Oh really, I've always been told not to mix. Learn something new everyday.