posted Thu, 08/15/2024 - 06:17
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Thoughts/Advice on First Cycle (Main Gain)
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Hey everyone, I've been training and dieting religiously for 4 years and am now interested in becoming enhanced. After a few months of research I would like my first cycle to look something like this:
300 test, 500 npp, and maybe anavar at the end to cut up a little.
I would like to go the pct route for my first cycle since I do not want to cruise until I see how my body responds. Any information regarding a pct for this cycle would be greatly appreciated as well as any additional input/tips 
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Without being a jerk, I would say go find the pinned post on starting a cycle and having everything you need to have prepared to do so. Some of those pinned posts have excellent information when I say some I probably should say all. The main thing is your food you have to get your food right and you have to be prepared to eat said food for the entire cycle as boring as those meals may be and as repetitious as it may be. Also, looking at your cycle I would say the numbers are backwards for your two compounds. And lastly just try a cycle of test first and see how you respond, the side effects your estrogen levels and everything that goes along with that.
Thanks, will definitely check those out. As far as the compounds go i'm most likely gonna drop the npp.
anvilAt 160lbs you do not need all of this and honestly you really should consider holding off longer and getting bigger naturally. You must be honest with yourself, if you can only get to 160 in 4 years of religious dieting and training, steroids may not be for you. Planning for nearly a gram of steroids and is going to just let you down. If you have to do something start with test only but you better speak to someone about diet and training, my 14 year is 180, all natural.
First cycle test only
If your set on running these compounds then flip it around 500 test 300 NPP …. If you’re going to run an oral then var is one of the safest options. I would run this for 12-16 weeks minimum and then 2 weeks off start pct for 4 weeks. Have an AI on hand just in case but you may find you don’t need it.
How ever I would suggest you run a test only cycle first 500 mg test first cycle you’ll get good results , save the NPP for a later cycle if at all
Thanks so much for the advice, definitely still have a lot of research to do lol
First cycle do test only , what’s the cycle length?
Not 100% sure yet but i'm thinking around 10 weeks
I’d do 12 weeks , HCG 250 iu twice a week, go with test cyp or enth, for pct nolvadex , clomid or enclomiphene and have an AI on hand exemastane or arimidex any body stats or blood work?
I agree 12 is better. Also most people don’t need an ai, but having one is definitely smart just in case. Just try not to go overboard. High estrogen is better than no estrogen.
Why the npp? Especially since you’re going pct route and 19 nors suppress your hpta so hard. And why so much?
You’re talking almost a gram of gear and an oral for first cycle?
There’s a reason test alone is suggested for first cycle and it’s simple. It allows you to see how your body reacts to super physiological levels without guesswork.
You throw in 500mg of npp and what’s going to happen if you start getting some bad sides? Is it because my test is high? Is it my estrogen? Prolactin? Which of these compounds are doing this to me? Are my lipid or liver values already completely fucked? Can my body even handle an oral right now?
You have your whole life to decide if you want to add in more complex steroids. You’ve already been at it for 4 years. What’s another 6 months testing out the basic high test?
Besides training natty and then going to 3-5x your normal level of testosterone is going to make you feel amazing enough.
My recommendation is 300-500mg test alone.
It’s ultimately up to you though. But you only get one body.
Thanks so much for the advice, You're totally right that that is pretty ambitious for a first cycle.If I drop the npp and var are there any other comparatively safer compounds you could recommend?
For your first cycle you don’t need anything but test. Your body isn’t going to grow more with more compounds. You’ll gain 10-20 pounds if you do everything perfect. If you add three compounds your not gunna gain 30-40, it’ll still be the same 10-20. You could also have tons of horrible side effects early on. Just because guys handle 10 different drugs and 1,000s of milligrams doesn’t mean they could do that day one. Some guys have horrible effects right away. Go slow, your body is going to grow with the edition of gear, you don’t need to go crazy. There’s no benefit to adding more, only negatives. Literally NONE.
Depends what you mean by safe. Var is one of the safer steroids. It completely fucks your lipids, but most report very little sides besides that and intense crippling muscular pumps.
Primo is supposed to be very good to people in terms of blood markers, but it destroys most peoples hair which can be daunting to some. Also maybe some acne.
I’m pretty sure you’ll make significant gains with just test though. It’s tempting to try nonbioidentical steroids but your body is designed to respond to testosterone. Having a fair bit more of it is going to do wonders for you. You also have to realize that it’s not just having high test levels. It’s having it crazy high sustained. Normally your body pulses testosterone in the morning which is when they tell people to get tested. When you’re on gear you’re sustained at a high level as long as you aren’t pinning like once per week. And even then at trough levels you’re still usually upper range even on a trt dose. At cycle level you’ll be sustained at superphysiological levels the whole time.
Hey, i really appreciate your input, gives me a lot to consider and think about when going forwards.