posted Fri, 10/20/2017 - 21:43
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Alright lads been reading for yrs n on me 30th the gf is letting me jump on the juicy juice.
Anyways ive seen so many ppl running clomid and nolvadex but from what ive read they do the same thing bar clomids nast eye fucking side effects and it requires a larger dose than nolvadex.
Id appreciate some propper explanations from experienced members and pls no bro science
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Blues cluesRhanks everyone for really chiming in on my pct I wanna have everything Dow to a T beforw I hop on the T.ur all of great value to the community
Here’s the protocol from the link that I posted incase you missed buddy.
Both serms have the potential to cause eye problems, tamoxifen is no joke
You should be ok if you dont overdose, which almost everybody does when they read online parroted forum pct advice
Blues cluesTjats what im looking for actual peoof not boston loyd type dribble
Blues cluesYeah ive reserced alot but in your experience whats the best/safest protocols found? Thanks for the info bro
Im not being smart when i say this buddy... but, the best/safest is the one that works for you personally, at the lowest possible dose in the quickest possible duration. This must be proven by bloods and revisited if need be.
I myself begin preparing for pct by using hcg in cycle and continue 3-3 weeks into pct. My pct will begin when the steroids reach a stage where they are unlikely to be significantly suppressive and will continue for long enough of a time to get things fully restarted. The pct effectively continues until pct meds are no longer pulsing lh fsh etc and then i watch for rebound effects where i will carefully use an very small dose ai (and/or sometimes a weak dht should i need to which is vety controversial for some and something i no longer advise to others to consider).
I believe there is a synergistic effect between tamox and clomid. But have used both alone successfully.
If you are overdosing you are making a mistake. If you start too soon it is a mistake. If you end too early it is a mistake. If you dont prove recovery by bloods it is a mistake. Its too feckin easy to make mistakes unfortunately.
If you want a cookie cutter pct, the only advice you should take is Dr. Michael Scally's study/treatment protocols. You should also understand the drugs involved to dose correctly. You can learn/develop ways to front load clomid that way too (but not nolvadex).
Id love to be able to doscuss torem and hmg but havent used yet.
Blues cluesNolvadex works on the Lh thats what was so appealing but ive them both ordered just incase n will probably do a small dose of the clomid(the eye issues scares the shite out of me,if I cant see my gains whats the point haha
I’ve never experienced the blurry vision with clomid , but some temporarily do. Take the clomid before bed. Using both together is highly beneficial. They are definitely risks with aas use as I hope you’ve definitely researched. It is risk vs reward my friend...
Blues cluesIve been researching over a YR but so many conflicting opinion I want established members to bust in on their experiences
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-my-2%C2%A2
Blues cluesId a good read of that already n id gotten a number of quality non anabolic alternative to raise my test naturally I just wanna really push myself to the max before I start to cycle but ive me suicide Ai already,hairloss pills (5mg but ill only need 1mg so ill have to ise my scales) also will be using the shampoo amd my pcts once I know the supplier is legit ill get a long ester n dbol to kick start ir, I waant to bulk,im sick of being cut n next cycle ill do test p as a kick-start but same 500mg test pinned Monday n Tuesday and depending on mass I may add anavar towards the end up I probably wont.
I can’t what works for others, but there was a Nolva & Clomid 4 week protocol giving in there & some call it a cookie cutter pct, but it has always worked for me. It’s your first cycle & it’s test only (don’t add the var 1st cycle), your recovery shouldn’t be too awful hard except some pct blues. Watch the hair pulls brother. From what I understand they only help if you stay on them for good & if you come off hairless resumes. I take biotin for my hair & use nizarol shampoo ed in between my regular shampoo & conditioner.
The PCT protocol on here is the standard for a reason. For a first cycle it should definitely be followed to the T. Further experimenting with PCT can come with future cycles to fully dial in what actually works for someone on an individual basis (adding HCG, extending out to 6 weeks, time lapse between cycle finish and PCT, etc.)
Edit: I have fine (thin) hair naturally, so I just shave it. I figure eventually I'll be bald so I might as well get a head start
Amen bro!!
I keep telling my wife I’m gonna shave it & she’s not for it yet...I’m going to have to just do it so she sees how I rock it
My wife hates it lol, you just gotta appease them somewhere else whenever they bring it up. A wallet, a handbag, anything.
LOL.... my wife says she wants to enjoy my hair while I have it cause she certain I will go bald on my own. I just have some thinning in the back that’s is easily seen due to my coal black hair & white scalp! Lol that’s my excuse anyway... I won’t ever have a horseshoe look or a comb over though... I will shave at the very first sign!!
Blues cluesMate youre a plethora of knowledge mind if a send tou a friwnd request for any further peoblems I encounter
There are tons of folks on here more knowledgeable than me, but I will help any way possible my friend. I sent you a friend request.
yes clomid and nolva help to jumpstart the HPTA but they do it in different ways. I forgot offhand which does which but one primarily acts on LH and the other on boosting FSH which why you should try and have both in your PCT to help allow for a more successful outcome.
Your gf is letting you...haha
Blues cluesShes German man lol n I hate needles so she'll be doing the pinning n its taken a long long time to convince her.if I did it behind her back n she found pins n vials around the house shed assume I was a smack head or something so best keep her on my side
Needles are part of the game, learn to love them. Relying on someone to stick you sucks
Blues cluesI know mate I wanna start my second cycle with test p so ill have to get used to pinning ill just let the missus do it a few times till I get the feel for it without looking.
Ive an egg allergy so id to go to hospital for every vaccination as a child n id a bad reaction once so that gave me a little complex but as u said its part of the game so ill have to grow some balls(well shrink some balls) and get in there
Blues cluesThanks for the link mate,nothing better than a heated debate
so i remember some guys here had a heated discussion regarding the issue. check this thread out.
https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/pct-plan
also, might depend on what are you planning to run, how long, and dosage.
Goodluck