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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Age: 28
5 ' 7 and around 84-85 kilos.
Running 750 mg test en at the moment and just finished 5 weeks of 30mg dbol ed.
Would like you guys to provide your input on my PCT plan

Week 1: 100mg clomid, 40mg nolvadex ED
Week 2: 50mg clomid, 30mg nolvadex ED
Week3: 50mg clomid, 20mg nolvadex ED
Week4: 50mg clomid, 10 mg nolvadex ED

Alongside i'll be running some igf and peps to enhance the recovery. May or may not run hcg prior to pct but would highly appreciate to read if hcg is needed for a better PCT

Test_them_curls's picture

UPDATE: Thank you very much everyone for the input and suggestions. After carefully reading through, I have planned to add HCG prior to PCT and lower the dosages of nolvadex from 50 to 40 followed by 30, 20, 10 mg.

protonguy123's picture

I suggest doing a little bit more research regarding your PCT. HCG seems to be a little to much for this cycle. Good luck brother!

SuperMax's picture

Their is a LH desensitization aspect to factor in by using HCG when not necessary. If you do not experience gonadal atrophy then it might not be needed
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/223409/

redsquat's picture

I'm planning to run something similar , for now its 30/30/20/20/20 100/100/50/50/50. Will change it accordingly as I do a lot more reading regarding PCT.

italian92101's picture

Agree that some need more and some need less, are chemical make up is different, but why isn't first thought some hcg or hmg? I mean you been using dbol, they shut down pretty good if it youre first cycle or you're last cycle!! I would of put 3500 iu of hcg a week split in 3 days for 4 weeks or hmg at 75 iu wich is a vial for 3 times a week mon,wed , fri, for 4 weeks, or small combo 1500 iu a week for slit in 3 days and hmg 150 iu split 2 days a week Combo for 4 weeks, would then think of clomid and nolva, clomid in my opinion is good at 100 mg split pm and am for the first 2 weeks and finishing 50 mg a day last 2 weeks for 4 weeks tot, nolva as been know and been proven to lower igf1 production found that real pharmaceutical toremifene was pretty damn amazing practically did same thing as nolva some say better and I'm one of them and no sides like anithing induced by estrogen suppression plus no intrfiring with igf1 or gh production wich is crucial, so bottom line I would have gone maybe a bit lower on the nolva , keeped clomid same, but would just had some light hcg, hmg if you can I think it's better practically does 2 works in one, hmg is like hcg and clomid put together.

giardap's picture

Do you think could torem + hmg work as a combo then?
Ive read a lot of positive reports on torem but not tried it. Same with hmg but ive only used hcg. Hcg of course can be tricky if you pulse it at all, with estro

CBBurrr's picture

Here's my thoughts.

WE are not treating cancer with the SERMs. we are blocking estrogen from reaching the pituitary. E2 is 100x as suppresive as testosterone to the HPTA .
We really cant convert cancer studies to PCT practice.

For a 28 year old dude, the PCT listed for the cycle is likely grossly overkilled. When Dr's are trying to jumpstart an HPTA that has been shut down for years they will use 100mg clomid and 40mg nolva, along with some stout doses of hcg leading up to that,

As far as guys on forums, Dr Scally is the most qualified person I have had dialog with. His opinion is that not one size fits all. Some guys need the big doses, other guys could probably recover fine with no PCT at all.
For the OP. scale it down..... you are 28 running a simple cycle. wait 3 weeks and use a very low dose PCT. I think I once did 25 mg clomid and 5mg nolva and 5 mg torem for 2 weeks, then dropped those in half for another 3 weeks. I did bloods and everything looked great 4 weeks into pct. LH, FSH, and TEst were all way up.

bloods https://www.eroids.com/pics/4th-week-of-pct-bloodwork

I'd suggest Giarda take a different approach to promoting his version of PCT. something other than " yours is shit"

SuperMax's picture

My point exactly!! I’ll stick with the Dr that specializes in pct!!

Pale's picture

I agree. I have tried running that crazy level thinking more is more and it isn't. Sides are tho. Like vision issues. Bottom line, do not try to reinvent the wheel.

giardap's picture

Exactly!

SuperMax's picture

Dude, your worse than CNN & MSNBC combined!! & It’s pathetic

giardap's picture

LOL
Why, whats that, am I fake news or anti trump loudmouth something?!!
You're probably right

SuperMax's picture

You open your dialogue with a no sense knee jerk comment, you then look for validation by trying to post as much bull shit as possible & when that doesn’t work you back pedal, now you agree with everyone. But you don’t admit you made a mistake with the your opening statement. & for me, it’s extremely annoying when people come here for help & people like you just do your best to shit on them.
Now that’s enough high jacking of this mans thread

giardap's picture

Nah didnt do as you say to op.
Didnt make any mistake!
And dont forget, you agreed with the protocol, ref your Dr. Scally comments.

Its all there to see lol.

SuperMax's picture

You told the man his PCT was shit. After everyone came on here & agreed that his pct would work. Now you say your comment wasn’t a mistake. The whole time you were negging people with lower karma for no other reason than your a jerk. Now your trying to but hug on Itialin’s balls. Your pathetic

giardap's picture

You told the man his PCT was shit.

Correct

After everyone came on here & agreed that his pct would work

I certainly didnt say it wouldnt work of thats what you mean. Not entirely sure what you point is there!

Now you say your comment wasn’t a mistake

Correct! It wasn't a mistake! Furthermore, I fully qualified why

The whole time you were negging people with lower karma for no other reason than your a jerk

Incorrect. Firstly, i am not a jerk (you dont know me, i dont know you, i bet you are probably a nice guy out there in the real world.... i know that i certainly am! In fact, most people are, arguably). Secondly, I negged 1 person who insulted me mostly each time he insulted me, who also insulted me on another forum. BUT I also gave him back his karma last night after reading a very funny comment he made in another forum posting (it was genuinely very funny!). You probably didnt know that though

Now your trying to but hug on Itialin’s balls.

Not sure what that means or who or what Itialin is for that matter. But I dont like other people's balls either way

Your pathetic

Incorrect. However name calling is something most normal people would consider to be relatively pathetic.

Dude, sadly, you seem unable to offer any single piece of input to the technical conversation. Mental fog? You seem overly emotional, irritable, the way you lash out with insults, angry... perhaps moody....
High estro symptoms?
Or not!

SuperMax's picture

If anyone picked out the proper avatar to represent themselves on Eroids, it would be you. & if you need me to explain that, then change your eroid name to RickyRetardO

genuinelyveryfunny @LMFAO

giardap's picture

Edit: I am gonna redact this! No point!!

SuperMax's picture

That was the funniest shit!!
I can’t believe your going to deprive the community of that laugh.

head up but looking for funny shit lmao

giardap's picture

CBBurrr's picture

Here's a suggestion for giardia. Next time someone post their intent to use the standard cookie cutter PCT chime in with "hey there's been some improvements in PCT protocols over the years. Based on your cycle your age Etc I would suggest blank"

This would give you an opportunity to share your knowledge. Post up your references. And be helpful at the same time. Your basic constructive criticism. Giardia you do have a lot to share with us but sometimes your delivery is shit.

SuperMax's picture

Your much better at saying these things than me.

The Impastable's picture

Your finisher... Rofl.

JARHEAD2's picture

You’re a good guy brother!

giardap's picture

LOL

Touché!

+1 for a good message sprinkled with some nice humour!

You're a nice guy Burrr, I've said that before.

ETA: No homo

Odyssey1's picture

I don’t give a shit if the button doesn’t work I’m smashing the thumbs up for this.

giardap's picture

Wont be long before the button works, I saw you giving out some solid thoughts on a couple of other forum posts +

giardap's picture

LoL no back pedaling and no mistakes on my side!!!! I stand by every thing ive said. You however have provided nothing other than insults and irony!

That said, you did agree with me! Dont tell me you actually missed that???? Did you really miss it? The whole take the doctor's advice? Scally's pct etc...

You cannot possibly be that crazy??

Nope; i didnt sh1t on him, i told him his pct was sh1t.
You got pissy because i asked you why you co-signed a cookie cutter nolv usage that is not based on reality. Just more internet broscience super doses.

Then later you agree on Dr. Scally's protocols and say you've read it all...

Cmonn man, you are better than this.

:-)

TrenAllDay's picture

You guys been spiking the shit out of your blood pressure all day hahah

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