+ 4 Hpta Restart protocol/power pct by Dr. Michael Scally
I am 27 years old and shutdown from prior steroid cycles and being very dumb. I am working with an endocrinologist who i am pretty sure has little experience with someone who is shutdown from steroid usage. She has me scheduled for a brain MRI to make sure i have no underling causes, after we get the results back and assuming everything in normal on the MRI i am going to have a couple options. one option is work with her and come up with a plan even though she has not much experience. Or i can start Dr. Michael Scally's Hpta Restart protocol which has " successfully treated more than 100 cases of hypogonadism/hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism, and is very well known in the field of androgen replacement therapy" if you do not know what this is i posted it below and also attached a link that is also below. It makes more sense to me if i ran a protocol that has been proven rather than working with an endo who doesn't have much experience. Another option is looking for another endocrinologist who has experience with my situation. But again if this protocol is proven to work why should i even bother looking any further because Dr. Micheal Scally seems to be an extremely well known doctor and has helped many AAS users who were shut down. As of this moment i plan to get the brain MRI to make sure i have no other issues causing the shutdown, then i plan to start the below protocol and get bloods done a month after finishing. If i have not recovered i will then find an endocrinologist who is experienced with men who have been shut down from steroid usage and go from there.
Dr. Michael Scally PCT Protocol:
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-testosterone-information/102444-famou...
The famous PoWeR PCT that i plan to use:
Days 1-16 HCG 2500Iu EOD
Days 1-30 Clomid 100mg ED
Days 1-45 nolva 20mg ED
My Last Blood work taken 5/15:
Total Test - 129 ng/dL normal 250-100
Free Test - 12.6 pg/mL normal 35-155
LH - .7 mIU/mL normal 1.5-9.3
FSH - .9 mIU/mL normal 1.4-18.1
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I just wanted to offer some feedback regarding Dr Scallys power PCT.
After 3 years of using then abusing I decided that I wanted to fully come off. I was worried about sexual function as when I came off before I had no sex drive and struggled to have sex without Viagra.
I decided to try the power PCT, research showed me the latest information has changed ever so slight regarding dosages, so I did the follow regime.
Day 1-20 : 2000iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg was taken twice per day) ; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg was taken twice per day)
For me it was a complete success, my sexual function and drives are back to where they were before I started using.
I found 100mg of Clomid quite difficult due to visions issues but I stuck with it and I've had no further issues with my sight.
In short it worked for me, so I'm sure it will work for you.
So good I posted it twice !! Apologies
Sahmoo , I just had one question , did you start the protocol the day after your last pin or did you wait a couple of weeks from your last pin to take your first hcg shot , I was very stupid , and started taking gear without ever thinking of the consequences, got some tren and test from my really ripped and huge boss and all I thought was I wanna get big like that , felt how amazing it felt to be on it and have been running high amounts of tren and test for the last 4 years with only 2 short breaks in between , now I wanna try to get my self back to as normal as possible , and want to try this protocol, as i know now after doing tons of research that I have basically fucked my self up , but still this protocol gives me hope and want to get everything right
Sahmoo was last online in Oct last year so I wouldn't hold my breath for a response.
Besides that you're 23 and have been running high amount of tren and test for 4 years. Jesus!!!!
So Yes I'd say you're fucked. But if you are really serious about getting yourself right don't waste and fucking time trying to self medicate yourself back from this. Go and get some professional help. Do your research and find a good endo and hope like hell he can get your restarted.
I already tried and there response was wait 6 months to see how my body responds and then go from there , I'm sorry my information is wrong for some reason I just logged in after a very long while I'm actually 25
Find another doctor mate. You've got to do your research and find someone who specialises in this kind of thing.
Being 25 and having done what you've done doesn't really make it any better. It makes you 21 when you jumped on tren. Not a good move but it seems you know this already.
Good luck.
After 5 months of test tren cycle i haven't recovered. I'm going to try out this protocol. It's good to hear it worked for you. Just wondering what were your bloods before and aftert PCT.
Just want to let you all know that i have finally recovered. My libido is high and energy levels are up.
My age is 23 and i have several years lifting experience and i have not juiced since the last cycle below.
In 2015 Sept i did Trenbolone Acetate 700mg/weekly for 10 weeks and Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/weekly for 10 weeks.
I did use HCG and caber during the cycle. After i had finished cycle i did Clomid/Nolva PCT. BUT i did not recover in several months. I was tired and my libido was completely off. Even cialis/viagra did not help me. I was scared that i have to TRT for the rest of my life. So i decided to do PowerPCT to restart my HPTA. After doing that i felt i was recovering and feeling better thankfully. It took 6 months for the total to fully recover.
I did overdosage Trenbolone Acetate. That was my mistake and shut me down very hard.
I decided to write this and give hope to anyone who is experiencing difficulties with recoverying from any cycle.
Hey, I'm similar boat as you and I would like to get to know more !
I'm thinking about doing the Power PCT (I haven't cycled in a while, and my bloods are AVG) They are not how they used to be pre-cycle and I can feel the difference in my day to day life
so if you can give more specifics like if you got results back from Power PCT and they have sustained at those levels for awhile that would be nice and what exactly you did, etc.
Day 1-20 : 2000iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg was taken twice per day) ; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg was taken twice per day)
I followed the Protocol to the letter, the evidence I can offer is purely down to my experience. I had bloods done on the NHS because I went to see my GP but they were useless, they didn't give me the results and said my T was in normal ranges.
The protocol worked for me, 6 months on and all the improvements I got from doing it are still here. I’m 45 and wake up with a hard on every morning, something I did not do before the protocol. I’m training again and feeling very good, difference is, no more gear for me, I’m done. I am not risking losing my sex drive again, no good looking in great shape, pulling loads of girls, but not enjoying fucking them. Guess I’m going to have to work on my personality lol.
My situation is very similar to yours.
Did you feel like you have E2 sides during the HCG phase? I am currently doing the power PCT just as you described (currently at day 12) and feel like my E2 has risen too high and the positive feelings I had when i started the HCG have diminished.
I'm asking because I'm considering using Aromasin, but at the same time I don't want to deviate from the protocol. Anyone have any recommendations?
My Advice is stick to the Protocol 100% . There are some ups and downs , at the end of the day, its some fairly large volumes of pharmaceuticals you are ingesting. I am not qualified to give you advice but the reason I did this PCT when all the Bro-science remedy's didn't work , was because it is designed by someone who is qualified , respected and knows his shit.
stick with me
Alright that's encouraging, thanks man. I'll follow through with the protocol and show my pre- and post- blood work in a couple months for sure.
Hey, I followed PCT protocol mentioned by user sahmoo.
It's been a while since i've recovered. I will get some new bloods to see what levels i have maintained.
I'm glad to hear that your have recovered. Do you have some bloods to post to show your recovery? As you're 23 your biggest mistake was running cycles at all. We advise no one under 25 and 200lb with sub 15% BF to run a cycle as the risk of permanent shut down and other significant health issues is greater.
Thanks, It's been a year for now as a natty and i'm happy with that. My test levels are 12,6 nmol/l, ref 8,4-28,7.
I'm not sure if i'm going cycel again anytime soon. Though i have considered doing a light cycel.
I'm currently trying the reboot protocol for same symptoms if this fails I'm going to run this im struggling at min with the clomid dosages day 3 at 150mg did you suffer?
I took 100mg a day for 30 days, I had a few mild sides , mainly a very little bit of visual disturbance , not enough for me to discontinue but enough for me to notice.
I just wanted to offer some feedback regarding Dr Scallys power PCT.
After 3 years of using then abusing I decided that I wanted to fully come off. I was worried about sexual function as when I came off before I had no sex drive and struggled to have sex without Viagra.
I decided to try the power PCT, research showed me the latest information has changed ever so slight regarding dosages, so I did the follow regime.
Day 1-20 : 2000iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg was taken twice per day) ; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg was taken twice per day)
For me it was a complete success, my sexual function and drives are back to where they were before I started using.
I found 100mg of Clomid quite difficult due to visions issues but I stuck with it and I've had no further issues with my sight.
In short it worked for me, so I'm sure it will work for you.
After getting my blood work done again last week, i received the results this morning and my Testosterone has gone up to 460 ng/dL from 129 2 months ago. The only thing i have been taking is vitamin-D at 5000iu daily for about a month. I am going to wait another month and get blood work again to check my Test,LH,FSH levels to see if i am ready to cycle again. My question is how long should i wait before starting a new cycle?
Did you start the power pct , the day after your last pin or did you wait for the gear to clear up before injecting hcg ??
Time on + pct = time off.
well i have already been off cycle allot longer than i was on and i am just getting back to normal test ranges due to bad PCT among other things. I don't think the time on + pct = time off applies to people in my situation.
Then kick back, enjoy being natty for a while, get fully healthy and recovered, and return to a new (successful) cycle in another 6 months. Maybe even longer. It can only be of benefit you. Ya know?
I'll make it easy for ya bros
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/toremifene-pc...
Toremefine Nolva pct. Use the magnifying glass up top.
i am in the same situation my friend, my blood work came in AND i am in the VERY low of normal. I feel like absolute death through out the day.
Can any body suggest, a plan of PCT action (if that is what i needed). What is actually wrong with HCG taken eod for 16-20 days and then following up with nolva and clomid for more time?
I don't understand how i don't feel like trash with my levels being so freaking low.
Ex Dr Scally's protocol is very outdated.
There are many recent peer reviewed studies by the endocrinology society that offer much better advice.
One being the HCG protocol, which is not only counterproductive and will inhibit HPTA function via intertesticular aromatization, but a waste due to a refractory period in the leydig cell receptors after the initial injection.
there is also the study that shows halving the dose of clomid and the addition of 5000iu of Vit D per day to be just as beneficial to aid HPTA recovery.
Have you got a link to the vitamin D study?
good shit man. vitamin d stacked with daa work a treat.
Ok if this is the case i am going to do allot more research and probably try to find another Endo who is very knowledgeable in this area, there must be someone around Boston who is experienced i would hope.
clomid @ 100 per day for 30 days might harm you. your vision will be affected, likely night time blindness, research clomid and eyesight.
Will do thank you very much. This is something i definitely need to look into.
Looks more like a standard pct to me. Minus the addition of 16 days of hcg which we know to be counterproductive. There's other "power pcts" out there that are more "powerful".
gonna do more research thank you!