posted Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:01
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How important is adex for first cycle
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Basically just wanted to know how necessary it is to have arimidex in your cycle from lookin at alot of posts almost everyone has it in their cycle but was just wondering what the worst would be if I didn't take it or if it's a must have could i get advice on a site to get it from since the site i got my gear from doesnt sell it? Also im just doin test c 500mg a week n got the clomid n nolva to. Thanks
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This may sound stupid and i am not a research stegg i read,read,and read then read some more its just you dnt see folk running 150 mg every 5th day and the folk who are dnt use AI not wanting to get blasted here lol but if your only running 150-200 mg of test E every 5th day is it realy needed az i see folk on trt and no adex.And if so what would your dose of adex be.i was going to start my own topic but after reading this i think it links with kruizz thread.not looking to hijack your thread bro.
Trt can have different variable, of course. First is a much lower dose than one runs on cycle. Trt is meant for sliw release(test e/cyp) and simulate ones natty production. Even though mathematically it May not seem a lot, the jump to 500/wk shows clearly in the posted labs huge range past normal test levels. Androgen buildup is why the bloods are taken at week 8. Now on trt that androgen buildup level should be well within the norm. Trt patients also give many tests so they can clisely monitor everything including estrogen. If that patient does well at 100/wk and estro is being kept in control thru the bodies natural processes, then let it be. However, without constant bloodwork you'd never know. There's several trt folks on here doing their bloods and their estro was above acceptable and their doctor prescribed adex.
Taking any hormone/compound doesnt simply mean with slight increase theres slight risk. Slight increase in anything that causes "buildup" MULTIPLIES THAT RISK. Androgen buildup is an old term that needs to be re-researched here.
Cheers for that fast you learn smet new everyday thats why a love this forum.it was just am doing a cycle soon and am only going to be running 200-250mg of test e every 5th day and 300mg EQ every 5th day a was gna take adex at 0.25 mcg every 3rd-4th day to keep estro in check but some folk av said no need for it but as the EQ converts to estro aswell i frt it would be more like i was running 350 mg test as EQ only converts at half the rate of test dnt get me wrong i know EQ is not test but as it still converts to estro it would be like i was take 350 mg test per week.its just i have mates on trt and they allways ask is there realy any need at that dose and if i take it when i am on 150 mg week i could stop my gains by over-killing my estro a think it just comes down to what you said you would need blood tests done thrw the cycle it can be hard to have these blood tests done in the uk tho.
zewiStroke is the third leading cause of death and the leading cause of age-related disability. Abnormal blood clotting in the cerebral blood vessels is the most common cause of stroke. Excess estrogen promotes abnormal blood clots
Estro Higher in Male Heart Attack Victims
High Estrogen in Men With Coronary Atherosclerosis
“low levels of total testosterone, testosterone/estradiol ratio and free androgen index and higher levels of estrone in men with coronary artery disease appear together with many features of metabolic syndrome and may be involved in the pathogenesis of coronary atherosclerosis.”
Estrogen and Prostate Cancer
The number one cause of death in men is the development of an abnormal blood clot (thrombus) in an artery that blocks blood flow to a critical region of the body such as the heart, lungs, or brain. Elevated estrogen predisposes people to these lethal thrombotic events.
It has been found that men admitted in hospitals with myocardial infarcts have elevated estradiol and lower testosterone levels.13 This was shown in an interesting study done on men admitted to the hospital with acute heart attacks whose levels of sex hormones were evaluated. Compared with control patients, estradiol levels in these heart attack patients were 180% higher, while bioavailable testosterone levels were nearly three times less than those of control patients.14
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-i...
cdaddy7This is a repost from my response to 56too below bc it's so important that you guys read this and understand the big picture!!!
I'm glad to hear that you haven't had any issues, but understand there is a ton of guys that have...The part that maybe you might not consider is far more than just sore or puffy nips going on...it's the big inside picture you don't see with the high estogen levels that makes it worrysome the bloating and what that does to the b/p and the stress it cause on the heart and kidneys if untreated, high estro causes infertility and low sperm count and contributes to low t itself,what about the effects of high estro and the prostate...there is a link between high estro and protate cancer, I can keep going beyond the obvious of the sex drive and impotency, not to mention the gyno and sore breast tissue and nip bc of it....that's the outside...So with knowing the inside things you can't see wouldn't it make sense to play it safe then sorry...I'm not willing to take a chance or even take the chance of the newb thinkn it's ok and all will b well bc usually it always ends bad for the chap....Numerous posts I find with gyno and ED but they never consider the major organs effected on the inside by this....It's to late when you develop heart and kidney disease or in worst case scenario prostate cancer...The damage is done and even fatal in some cases......So I will never ever say it's ok to start a cycle without an AI or ever say it's ok to not use an AI....It's your body and health we are talking about and only one at that.....So that's my stand and take on that
Its Important! I've ran A gnarly cycle without it, while Not! getting sore nips or obvious sides I sold myself short about 2/3 into my cycle I had a loss of energy And thought maybe I was building a tolerance to aas let me say too that this is my IMO I did not get blood test But I believe I had estro flooting around and thats how I believe my body reacts to it so yes ai is important imo to get what your exp from aas . Ive done research and It is protocol for my future cycles and its best to listen to the older ones they know! lol
cdaddy7With the clinical research done, I wouldn't dare ever start a cycle without it...IT makes a big difference in the quality of your cycle and smites that estro to keep you levels minimal from side effects....A MUST HAVE!!!
Wearing a bcup starter bra is the result of no ai. Nipples producing milk. Zewi will assist ya. Hope you listen because it's not a scare tactic.
cdaddy7I heard Zewi could milk a cat's nipple....That's mad skillzzzz
No jinxie! Not in the Ashes!
zewilmao... love you guys (no homo)
56tooI've never used and AI and have never had any problems, maybe Im just a lucky one or the exception. Regardless Im just posting my experiences with the stuff
zewi....
cdaddy7I'm glad to hear that you haven't had any issues, but understand there is a ton of guys that have...The part that maybe you might not consider is far more than just sore or puffy nips going on...it's the big inside picture you don't see with the high estogen levels that makes it worrysome the bloating and what that does to the b/p and the stress it cause on the heart and kidneys if untreated, high estro causes infertility and low sperm count and contributes to low t itself,what about the effects of high estro and the prostate...there is a link between high estro and protate cancer, I can keep going beyond the obvious of the sex drive and impotency, not to mention the gyno and sore breast tissue and nip bc of it....that's the outside...So with knowing the inside things you can't see wouldn't it make sense to play it safe then sorry...I'm not willing to take a chance or even take the chance of the newb thinkn it's ok and all will b well bc usually it always ends bad for the chap....Numerous posts I find with gyno and ED but they never consider the major organs effected on the inside by this....It's to late when you develop heart and kidney disease or in worst case scenario prostate cancer...The damage is done and even fatal in some cases......So I will never ever say it's ok to start a cycle without an AI or ever say it's ok to not use an AI....It's your body and health we are talking about and only one at that.....So that's my stand and take on that
You're definitly the exception! There's one guru here that was also the exception til "that one time" he got lumps. Same cycle...same gear...bam. He still can't even low dose what he took without lactating.
Ai is not just there for nipples....its there because overages in estrogen reak havok in many areas:bloating, water retention, bacne, loss of libido, no orgadmic function, breast growth, hypertension, strokes, fat retention, etc etc etc.
56tooYou really dont need to take it unless you have to man. Just make sure its on hand. As far as a source, on the top right hand of this page type in "arimidex or aromasim" and click go You'll find your answer there. Dont mean to make fun of you bud but put a lil work in, who knows you may also learn a whole bunch of new stuff while doing it.
zewiFR sent... You need an AI on cycle you don't want that floating estro in your body.
Blocking that extra estro form your cycle will improve it and make for better recovery.