posted Mon, 01/09/2017 - 03:50
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High e2 ?
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Hi guys
Running
750 test
450 deca
1000 hcg a week
Week 3 today
Not feeling to great
Should be getting bloods tomrroow or day after
What u guys think
Low or high ?
As stands
Not sleeping very well
Loss of appitie , have a few mouthful of food and that's it don't want to get rest and then feel sick.....
Feel thirsty all the time even tho drinking loads
Feel like want to cry out of knowhere
Feel depressed like don't want to go to gym
And get spurts during day
Feeling nausea a lot
Getting digestive issuies
No sex drive or monring wood
Thanks guys
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Got bloods back
Right I chucked back In the hcg as want to keep sperm and balls healthy ...
So been running 0.25 arimidex ed instead of eod
Bloods came back at 169pmol/l < 192
What u think guys ?
Do feel better , but no morning wood or libido still ?
Little update
So been on 0.25 of arimdex eod for a while and drop the hcg
Started feeling a lot better appitite has come back not feeling to tired of depressed
But last day or two been haven restless sleep my shoulders haven been hurting
And pop now and then
Sex drive has not came back at all or morning wood
Feel quite flat and lost little bit of strength in gym and hurts when lifting
I got a feeling maybe got little low on estrogen now
Maybe should of kept the hcg in still and just added the arimdex at 0.25 eod ?
Going to get bloods in next couple of days to see where they are
Maybe the hcg was spiken the e2 but with the arimdex it might of stopped it spiken so much
Have read somonewhere that ai s don't stop hcg conversion ?
What would u guys recommed ride it out until get bloods done
Maybe eod dose is nuken my e2 and 0.5 every 3.5 days would be better
The day of the injection or after ??
Thanks
Right
Results are back but can't get print of as doctors have not looked
At them yet
I managed to get oestradiol results of nurse but with post full panel tomorrow
Right
Serum oestradiol level range male 0 - 191 pmol/l Mine come back at 327
Seems high to me in USA that converts to roughly 95 pg/ml
I always seem to be worse after hcg
I'm dropping hcg for now not done since Sunday
Where would u guys go from here ?
Get on your AI ASAP and then restest in a couple of weeks to dial in your AI dose.
Arimidex 0.5 eod ?
With 750mg of test I need about .25mg EOD of Adex or 25mg ED of Asin. Some need more some need less so this is why you need to do bloodwork to figure out your dose. Stick with a dose for 2wks and get retested and adjust from there.
Thanks brother
Think I'm going To go arimidex 0.2 eod
Will get bloods in 2 weeks
Dropping hcg should help as will stop spiking my e2
Whatever you do just make sure be consistent otherwise your bloodtest won't help much with dialing it in. To many people screw around with different dosings so then they have no clue what dose of AI is doing what when they get there bloodtest. HCG could have a big impact also.
U know what i totally agree I start with arimidex don't give it time
Then jump on aromasin etc .....
But my body is very hard
To tell signs
I should notice morning wood
Coming back in time and sex drive
Once they come back I should be
Getting in range if start to loose again then
I'm going to low and drop dose a little
But will keep at that dose and re test
Only thing is
How comes u need more higher dose or aromasin than arimidex ?
I thought aromasin was stronger ?
Or is it arimidex works better for u
Thing I like about aromasin
It does not effect lipids and helps boost free test
Thanks again
2 completely different drugs so they are dosed different. I don't know if one is necessarily stronger than the other. I actually adex since it seems a little easier to keep my levels more stable. I probably would be better off splitting the asin dose 2x/daily and that might help with stability but I just feel better with adex compared to asin so that is why I prefer it.
Thanks
Only thing i want to check is this is uk blood testing
Are them oestradiol results full (total ) levels or e2
Where over in U.K. They are rubbish and don't do senstive test ....
What ai dose would u reccomed I get on thanks
Will re test In maybe 4 weeks let everything settle ?
Think I might give a arimidex I go what would be a good dose ?
Thanks for the help
Likely high IMO. Have you gained weight? Heavy breathing, insomnia, morning wood, and sex drive are all things that happen to me when estro elevates. I also get a spike in BP from the water retainage.....and of course anxiety...which causes all these crazy "what ifs" to run through your mind lol
Get bloods so youre not guessing, then next time you will know exactly what is going on.
I'm booked up for bloods should be in
Next couples days
I don't like guessing either
Yes I've gained 10kg in 3 weeks but am bulking ....
Thank you
All your posts relate to this shit. By now you should have shit dialled in. Be real.
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If I had it dialled in by now I would not
Be asking for help ?
Not had bloods done yet but got them booked
What's with the attitude mate if your not hear to help then why bother posting
Ffs u do get some pricks in life ....
All your posts are the same. You should learn after the first time.
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Gave you karma back. Low e2 high e2 etc. Uve had same issues before what im saying is you should have a good idea how your body reacts etc by now is all.
To be honest mate I'm really not bothered about karma
I'm not at school needing a pat on the back or a Kane
Don't need points
Just came on here for some help and advice and some have beening helping which I appreciate very much
We're only human and people make mistakes from time to time and I do find it hard at times to pin point where levels
Are at times
U have gone in with nagative attitude straight away , I feel u like a bit of power
To be honest
What is done is done
Maybe next time drop a little negative
Just pulled bloods and got
Full panel so should be here
By end of week
Will keep u posted
Thanks again
No worries.
ZandaHey brother, couple questions to help get you an answer:
1- cycle history? Experience with aas?
2- the ONLY way to tell for sure is to have bloodwork done. Labs will tell you whether your e2 is high or low.
3- what are you taking for an aromatase inhibitor and for prolactin? Bloodwork will point you in the right direction for what ancillaries you need to fix the issue and proper dose. See a doctor.
4- what ester test are you running with the deca?
5- is all gear from the same source? (Trying to eliminate possibility of something off with one of your compounds)
Ps
Breathing seems to be a little heavy as well
Thanks for the help
All gear is good to go
Test is test e
Ai at mo is 12.5 mg twice a week
Done many cycles before and done fine with that dose but the body
Changes and responds differant over time
You're taking 12.5mg of aro twice per week? Well if that's the case and your estro is high that's why. Aro needs to be dosed daily bro. Check out the half life and IrishMack had a great post on this.
Yes your right halflife is short believe 9 hours in men
But heard time you come around to next dose your estrogen would only have started to rise ?
As people on trt can't run a high dose ed or
Even low dose ed as would crash e2 levels
Don't know where to go with this one as e2 levels are hard to judge ...
Always have got bloods in past but even with blood it's still have to keep in sweet spot
Should have bloods done soon as hate feeling like dog shit
If on bloods they do come back high what dose would u say 6mg ed ?
Or would u start now ?
Then get bloods done again in 4 weeks
Again and adjust?
Thanks for the help
Get your blood pulled tomorrow and see what going on. What's weird is that it's only 3 weeks in and you're already having symptoms of high estro. Given as Makwa says you've cycled before you should know how you respond or have you never run test this high before? Don't think it's the deca that soon but you never know. Some react strangely. You've also made no mention of prolactin control via a DA like caber. Best you check this too. Take a full blood count in case it's something else. Liver and renal too. Could be other issues than high e2. Check back here with the results and we will go from there. As to upping your AI dose well that's a judgement call for you to make. If you do 6.25mg per day after your blood draw would be where I would start and then adjust from there when you have your results.
Here is the post I was referring too earlier. https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/aromasin-you...
Yes totally agree
But maybe the 1000hcg is not helping as can spike e2
It's possible of course. I think it's unlikely thought. Your results will tell you for certain if E2 is an issues.
That is definitely strange. Also up 20+ lbs in only 3 wks means a hell of a lot of water retention. Something isn't right here. Better get that full panel of bloodwork done ASAP before you keel over.
Gone straight from cut into bulk so some weight will be rebound weight
Full panel has been done
Thanks again
Thanks for help mate
Will post back once got results
I'm running vit b6 300mg a day for prolactin sides which has always help and have caber on hand just in case
Been to 600mg of test maybe the little extra test has raised e2 a little to high
Will post back once got results
Thanks again for your help
Will look out for the blood work. Serious doubt an extra 150mg pw of test after 3 weeks will have this affect and it's early for the deca to be causing problems but rather than guessing let's see the bloods. Good luck.
How much AI did you use for your other cycles? Seems like you are guessing on AI dose? That should have been nailed down after first cycle, especially if you have been getting bloodwork. Until you get that AI dialed in you shouldn't be stacking compounds, cause you are just going to get into trouble, like you are now.
Blood work has been on trt....
Not much on cycle
I never really need ai on cycle as never needed if gyno popped up would use nolvadex
But as got older body has changed and the 12.5 mg of aromasin twice a week as always been on
But stuck this time on symptoms so getting blood ASAP
Only posted to get some help and info
I'm sure yourself and others would agree estrogen can Be tricky
At times as not ever cycle will be the same or run the same ....
TRT bloods have no relevance to bloods you get on cycle. You need to get your AI dialed in on a test only cycle so you know how to dose it in future cycles. You are just causing problems for yourself otherwise and will be on that estrogen roller coaster ride. Estrogen is not that tricky once you know your proper AI dose. Just little tweaks here and there if needed based on bloodwork from then on.
Thanks you for the help
Will post back once got results