posted Tue, 09/20/2011 - 09:44
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i read that because clomid and nolvadex bind to the ER it can stunt growth? is this htrue?......and no im not some teenager im 21
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sgtstedankoHellraizor, didn't we go through this already dude? You can't keep asking the same questions, expecting different answers. That is the definition of insanity... Doesn't matter if you're a teen or not. As a man, you don't stop growing till you're mid twenties. And if your plates are not sealed, I would say that you are not done growing natty yet bro. I will re post my answer. I think steroids possibly stunt growth, not pct? I could be wrong... I have never read any med journal, or article saying pct will stunt growth.<<< AGAIN. I'd say wait until your 25 then dude. By then you should g2g:) You shouldn't even think about it until you completely max out your natural potential. Or at least finish up growing naturaly. A quick rise in estrogen after puberty is what causes plates to seal up. Maybe do Var only. I read that doctors give it to children, you'd think that they wouldn't do that that if it would harm them, or stunt growth... Someday that other testicle will drop bro, trust me:)
i am aware of what steroids stunt growth. its only the steroids that aromatize that stunt growth. i just havnt gotten a straight foward answer about if clomid and nolvadex stunt growth or not.
in a sense yes but also no....See Clomid and Nolva are both synthetic estrogens. In so many short words, The rise in estrogen is what causes,as they say, you to stop growing if you take steroids because they fuse the plates(This is always the reason that women are on average shorter than Males and why women seem to have more bone density issues as they age. its all making sense now huh?). BUT Nolva blocks Estrogen at specific sites (as im aware?)such as that near the breast (breast cancer drug). Clomid im not so sure about as with blocking estrogen but definitely helps bringing your endo test levels back up at a faster rate. SO essentially what your options are:
A. Use Nolva and block estrogen which will result in your bones HOPEFULLY not sealing up, but risk a pretty shitty recovery (in comparison to clomid)
B.Use clomid and kick your test levels back quicker, but risking stunting growth
C. Wait till you're mid 20's and you stop growing, therefore you can use clomid to kick your test levels back quicker and not have to worry about stunting growth.
(hint: my teacher always told me the longer answer was the right one)
why would using clomid risk stunting my growth?
Because:
Estrogen= stunted growth
Clomid = synthetic estrogen that works better and bringing endo levels back rather than block estro
also maybe proviron? is there any pct you suggest to keep gains that will not stunt growth?
what if i use both nolva and clomid?
sgtstedankoI've been standing on the sidelines checking in on this... You're not giving up are you dude? Why are you so hell bent on doing this bro? Why not be safe, train hard, eat right, and wait? Talk to your Dr, and see what kind of time frame he/she thinks, and come back stronger, with more knowledge, when the time is right dude??? The reason you haven't gotten a straightforward answer about if clomid and nolva stunts growth or not, is because the research just isn't there on it. If you want to be a guinea pig go ahead. Make sure you document everything. At the end of the day it's YOU we are talking about. WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE SONE GROWING Natural, JUST TO BE SAFE. IN THE MEANTIME, CONTINUE RESEARCHING...
Youre obviously not getting the point so im done.