Caber question
This is my first run with deca. So im still new with learn the sides and how my body will react. Im running Sust at 650mgs a week with M,W&F shots my deca is at 500mg a week with M and T shots. Today will be the start of my 3rd week on cycle. I was feeling on top of the world with a great sense of well being libido was off the charts and felt like I could take on the world. This past Friday all that went down the drain. No libido unmotivated depressed feeling all around life sucks feeling. Is it possible that I could be reacting to the deca already. I have my AI on hand but I don't ever need one I don't seem to have bad sides from test ever. I have Caber on hand as well. Is it ok to go ahead a take some Caber say .5mg and if so should I continue to take them throughout the rest of this cycle say .5mg 2xwk. I appreciate any and all help guys.
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Dont rule out the MWF sust shots helping cause an excessive peak/trough that might be exacerbating a deca / test driven estro spike
I lowered my deca dose lastnight and added Caber and provi so ill see if I level out hoping so anyway. Going to call around today to some Dr's to see if they can get me to try and get some bloodwork done to find the real culprit. I really appreciate everyone's feed back sincerely thank you.
Same exact thing happened to me when I ran deca. Before I knew what was happening, I was about to get it on and couldn't even keep a hard on. (Embarrassing)
I had to up my testosterone dose and start the caber .5 twice weekly. It worked... libido came back full force lol
I would maybe drop down to 400 deca
I wasnt taking deca but during my 5th week I felt very similar to how you are now. My issue was a combo of overtraining, not getting enough carbs and still working out a good ai dosage. Took a couple days off and upped the carbs and almost overnight felt better.
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Some bros seem to take offense to the term "overtraining" sometimes, as if it's blasphemous to even suggest its existence, but that's most often the culprit for me at least. I know all too well what CNS fatigue feels like from back when I powerlifted. It doesn't happen nearly as often since I switched to bodybuilding, but it does happen. It's my own stupid fault. I'll go weeks at a time weight training 7 days a week at high intensity, but the day always comes when I'm just suddenly… burned out. Fried. Not just physically, but psychologically and nervously.
Stupid. I even have off days written into my programming. But the same thing happens almost every time. I'll wake up and I'm like "fuck it, I'm training."
I know. I'm only getting away with this without injury because I'm young. I need to stop doing that real quick.
Something feels off to you so now is the perfect time to pull some bloods. You will gain a wealth of info by learning what caused you to feel off. Is it estro....maybe, is is prolactin....maybe, is a combo of both....maybe. Like I said you can learn a lot from bloods now.
You say you don't ever need an ai, but you have never ran Deca before so you may very well need an ai while running deca. Things change when stacking compounds. Deca maybe preferentially hogging receptor sites leaving alot more test floating around to aromatize. Then again your prolactin maybe skyrocketing from the deca or even by not controlling your estro. I really don't know what to tell you right now without bloodwork because it could very well be anything from high estro to high prolactin. My first bet would be estro out of whack, but I am just throwing shit at the wall hoping it sticks without any bloods. You could easily makes things even worse by crashing prolactin with caber if that wasn't the problem to begin with. One thing I can tell you right now though would be to bring that deca dose down to around 300mg for your first run of it.
I see where your coming from and i appreciate your feed back. Ill lower the deca as you recommend. Ill try to keep everything at a low dose until I can get in to get bloods taken so that I can get to the bottom of this. It was like night and day how I usually feel on test alone to how I felt this past Friday to present I new something was off. Thanks for all the feed back means alot to be able to come here for help
See, that's very interesting. That's the same logic behind why tren is usually run higher than test, but most guys will immediately balk at the idea of running deca higher than test. Do you have a take on this controversial issue?
Tren is a receptor hog and 1TC is a receptor hog. Test needs to be ran low with those because they do overpower the test and running higher test with them leads to more sides and aromatization. Maybe I worded it a liltte wrong but Deca isn't a hog like those in my opinion but anytime you start stacking compounds you run the risk of having more test floating around and aromatizing cause some space may be taken by the other compound so there is a very good likely hood that you may have to adjust your AI somewhat from a test only cycle. Things can be alot different when stacking compounds.
As far a Test/Deca ratios being controversial, I don't think it is. People have been running deca since the age of the dinosaur and there is a reason why test is ran higher than the Deca. That has been whats proven to work the best and minimize the side effects. Stick with the tried and true first and then start venturing outside the box when you are up to it.
Understood. Much appreciated
Ill drop the deca down to 400mgs and add the Caber in at .5 2xwk. Ive got provi as well and ill add that to. Ive got Adex to add in as well. Im hoping my insurance will be kicked in soon so I can go get a complete panel done if not im just going to bite the bullet and pay out of pocket. Thanks for the feed back guys.
I don't use deca and do not know much about it, but 500 might be a bit much for your first or even future runs. Most run at like 400 from what I've seen. Plus you have to have the right amount of test run along side right? I've heard guys talk about a 2:1 ratio of test to deca which you aren't. And with you running a multi enter test this might get tricky. Others will know better and chime in I'm sure. Then again deca is a crazy long ester so dont know how much you should be affected by week 3. Side note: Monday Thurs pins of sust would do as well. No need to pin so often for surè. Hope you figure this out doggy.
Then you got the guys who swear anything under 700 and you're wasting your time. Lol. Yeah right. I've also heard of guys running deca higher than test, similar to what's oftentimes done with tren, to mitigate sides. Not that I'm endorsing it, as I haven't tried it. Has anyone run deca higher than test around here? I try to ignore broscience and instead seek real life experiences from the people who have been there and done it.
Its hard to know just what to do or just how much to do or not to do due to there being so many conflicting opinions from everyone. I wanted my deca to be higher than just for joint relief but low enough to be able to handle sides if they came on. I made sure to know how my body reacted to test before I even thought about adding it in my cycle. Up to this point ive never suffered from test or estro sides but that's not to say that im not this time because I very well can be. Im figuring on keeping the deca just a little lower dosed and introduce my AI at a low dose and Caber at a low dose and see how I get along. Hopefully all will level out for the good. But I am going to try and get some bloods done so I can know exactly where im at and how to proceed
Deca for joint relief is around 100-150mg. A good starting cycle dose is 300mg.
I would get bloods for sure, but for the mean time I would start the caber @.5 M/Thurs and withen a week your libido should be back. As far a mood, I will not cycle without Proviron. My test/deca cycles were night and day while on 50mg provi ED. Provi can help with estro control, so take this into consideration while running it.
Also, just because you never needed an AI in the past doesnt mean you do not now. Every cycle seems to be a new chapter, at least for me, no one cycle seems to be the same.
Good luck, I am sure most will say get bloods, which is correct, cortisol and estro would be my guess to the numbers that will look off.