-3 TNE off cycle and on training days only. Aromasin needed?
Currently been doing 50mg I.M. injections once a week 1.5 hours pre workout, the last month. I have not felt any gyno symtoms or sensitive nipples. I have Aromasin but have not used it due to lack of side effects. At first I thought about using it after injecting the test just to fight of the possible aromatizing side effetcts.
I am not running any other compound and are only using TNE as a pwo once per week.
I know that many of you will say that I´m on cycle due to injecting. I know many of you will say it´s a bad idea to use TNE due to supression and not running test as a base.
But why can´t I continue like this if I feel it benefits my workouts (Once a week on leg days) and i feel no side effetcts?
Can I still get "bitch tits" or puffy nipples, slowly but steady, if I continue this usage, even though I have no sensory perceptional side effetcs?
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Hey guys thanks for all the respons. I will take it to heart and consider most of what you said. Some of the statements about women etc are borderline retarded though. won't use tne unless on cycle. As you said too much damage can be done.
Thanks for sharing about addiction tendecies etc... maybe thats the case who knows... But I will follow your advice until proper cycle is planned. This is what I wanted which some of you guys provided, a debate, and personal experience from experiensed users.
basskiller89Good to hear brother
Make that nutrition post and get started. We're all here to help
Hello Sir,
Well done for not taking the comments personally but actually making the right conclusions out of all the comments below. Sometimes comments sound a bit emotional but all eRoids community is trying to say that you are on the wrong path and you may harm yourself by following this route. Throwing hormonal substances randomly and playing games with hormonal system without a serious approach does not sound like a smart idea and I am sure you are aware of it as you sound like guy that have a common sense, otherwise you wouldn't be asking these questions.
Regards
+1 for taking these guys advice
Appreciated it man. Yeah I was a bit foolish, I admit. It's hormones, after all. Will do more research and absorb your knowledge and comments.
RustyhookerAnother troll. Haha!
Age: 37....Height: 174...Weight: 80...BF:..... I crap bigger than that.
Can i ask you a serious question? Do you have addiction tendencies? Do you get a rush pinning? Be careful and listen to these comments. Your preworkout routine needs to change starting today
Very, very good point. A guy in my home town was 3 years removed from a heroine addiction but got such a rush from injecting that he was shooting ice water in his veins and ended up killing himself by accidentally IVing an air bubble one day. I played hell trying to quit chewing tobacco and even though I was finally able to, years later I still chew gum then tuck it in my lip where I used to keep a plug of tobacco. I can absolutely see someone with these tendencies running gear year round just to satisfy the habit of injecting.
Lots of good info here dude. 50mgs of tne is not worth screwing with your hormones. Do whatever you want but if you need a shot of test to get through a leg routine that sounds like me in my drug abusing days saying I need a fix to get through the day. Grind it out like Sam says. You'll feel better about yourself in the end
Your confusing your body off cycle. A real player will grind that shit out even on a not in the mood day. That’s what separates the real guys. Thats where the guy not as gifted genetically can outshine the Freak. You either have that mentality or you don’t. There’s no drug for that...
The last 4 sentences of that post i wish some of the guys i know would read that and understand it.. i have an acquaintance that wanted to start juicin...hadnt been working out 2 months....i tried to tell him to go hard for 10 months min to a year or more than start. He didnt listen. He ended up running every major compound( test e sust tren eq deca
Tne mast and hgh slin and peptides. All in first cycle. And after that he was like how come im not ripped yet? When will i be where your at??? All i could do was shake my head.......one guy even asked me if " you really have to workout while taking gear"" needless to say i dont speak to that guy anymore
basskiller89That's annoying when people ask that lol
That and when they ask how you can not get fat eating pizza
All the below statements are on point. Not to mention 50 mgs of tne isn’t even all that strong... I’ve tried these suspensions for preworkout with stronger compounds and higher doseages and imo they’re overrated. Bring the intensity yourself or you’re doomed to fail.
Yeah, the dose being so low I'm wondering if the "lift" he's experiencing isn't simply an adrenalin rush induced by fear during the pinning process, lol, if not just pure placebo. I know when i first started pinning i had some serious fear and trepidation, and we all know that will elevate adrenalin levels. So the adrenalin may "enhance" that workout, but the 50mgs of test EW is likely to have consequences that's going to really screw him in the longer term.
OP - you came in here asking a bunch of experienced guys (I'm not one of them, btw) to provide you "scientific evidence".... there's all kinds of scientific proofs that contradicts the he'll outta each other. All you should worry about is experience from these guys, that's gonna trump that scientific evidence on a subject like this. Just FYI brother. Good luck.
Pick new habit for yourself that gives you a high. Try riding a bike or long walk. Try better mood elevators that will keep you healthy
I'm with ya, I have those same tendencies, hereditary it seems, but I've been clean for many years and will stay that way. Started with a car crash for me, was on strong pain meds and things got outta control. Didn't help that my doc cared more about money than me, just wanted those monthly visits....
Thanks to the experienced guys on here who seem to genuinely care I avoided the mistake of diving into AAS too early and have gotten solid nutrition and workout advice that has me progressing, gaining, and evolving. Looking forward to running a cycle at some point, but still work to be done first.
I'm sorry my friend. I meant my post for this guy who started this thread. I understand I too can easily become addicted. I keep away from anyone who does bad things cause I can't be around It because I would want to join in. Born with it. Replaced all that for a hot russian wife who takes great care of me and now just trying to stay healthy. Almost 40 so it was time for me to grow up a bit. He'll I smoked in special ops pack a day amd run 12 miles easy. The days of excess are over for me. Some one once said, no matter what in life always be honest with yourself! Don't bullshit your self and realize what u are and what you have to do to be productive and not be tempted. Respect u not homo
No worries, I knew exactly who the post was meant for and what you were saying, just agreeing with you in alot of people have this struggle in life and the first step to defeating it is admitting it to yourself and being able to admit it to others and own it. And admitting it to others sometimes can help them take that first step of seeing their own flaws and get on the road to slaying those demons.
That hot Russian wife sounds like an addiction worth being afflicted with - think I'd just have to live with that one, lol.
Thank you. I got sick of American woman and that I want to be a man crap amd dress like a slop, entitled bitches. So I traveled to prague and met the beautiful girl I have ever seen. Spent the week together there, filled out 6 months of paperwork for visa, been with her 2 years and she does things no girl has ever done. Cleans my ears, shaves me. Cooks clean. Always dresses nice and always smells wonderful. Wish I could show her to you. I've done well. She is so fun amd loving. Sometimes you have to find a girl you like far far away from where you are. Best choice of ever made. She's college educated, smart, absolutely sexy. Have a great day bud
I know al too well what you mean by many American women wanting to be men, frustrates the hell out of me. And it's not just them wanting to be men, it's them wanting to be masculine and feminize men. I've had chicks at work say crap to me for working out and staying lean and hard and in shape, saying I should look more like so and so, who's either a fat slob or a dude with noodle arms and no chest or shoulders. Seems they want us to be the bitches, trying to take over and shit. All the conspiracy nuts talking about the new world order and illuminati or whatever, nope, if dudes don't wake up these chicks are gonna be running the nwo, lol. Have a goodnight yourself bubba, no homo.
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And Irish macks post. You need to listen to that advice because it's right and what your doing is the opposite
If I were you I would be extremely worried about getting "shut down". I'm on a TRT dose of 100mg/week of test cypionate, not a huge dose at all, and I can tell you without a doubt that shut my natural production down. It didn't happen overnight, it's a slow process, but by the time I got 1.5 - 2 months in my nuts started to atrophy. So my concern with your 50 mg dose is it will do the same to you, perhaps just more slowly. Even if it doesnt you're really messing up your blood levels by doing that, and running test is all about achieving a steady state as much as possible. And at that dose I see no upside, not at all worth the risk. There are other pwo's out there that won't risk shutting down your natural T. I would say TNE is for cruisers or guys on cycle, what you're doing is kinda goofy imo.
Bass killer is spot on with his post. Nothing more to say. What your doing is nonsense and screwing up your endocrine system daily. Read his post.
basskiller89Hello brother,
Let me be honest. You have not reached your genetical potential based upon your weight. Also, you don't have a solid understanding of how anabolic steroids work. It is quite pointless to be administering a once a week injection of test suspension. Testosterone takes several hours to saturate androgen receptors. It then requires steady blood levels over the course of weeks and months to allow for potential muscular development. The problem is, you're taking a dose of 50mg on day 1 and by day 7 the total dose is back to 0mg. You're risking shutting down you're natural production for a dose that does nothing. I promise you any benefit you feel you are getting is 100% placebo. It's hormonally impossible to be experiencing any benefits from this protocol. Sometimes there are no symptoms of gyno. You can develop breast tissue glands without any sensitivity. You need to obtain blood work to verify where your E levels are at and dose Aromasin accordingly. It seems you are a bit in over your head at this point. Do not worry, a year from now you can be close to your genetic limits and ready for your first properly run cycle
Now, what I think would benefit you is some nutrition advise. We can help you gain another 10-20lbs of muscle naturally and prime your body for a potential cycle in the future should you chose to do so. Please stop doing what you are doing not only because it's completely pointless but because it's also hazardous to your health. If you would like some advise on how to naturally put on the rest of your muscle through proper nutrition and training please acknowledge the desire to and create a post in the weight gain forum explaining your situation. The brothers on here would love to help you
You make this statement "It is quite pointless to be administering a once a week injection of test suspension"
the purpose of a fast acting steroid like tne is that it can be used as a pwo. I never stated I used is to build more muscle perse, although a heavier more intense workout (as a result of tne as a pwo) can have that benefit aswell. I do however agree with you the risk about getting shut down. I am very well aware of this but I need solid evidence from knowledgable people with possible scientific references. And as I am not suffering from any consequenses which would lead me to consider I am being heavily shut down I made this thread.
Also this statement you wrote "I promise you any benefit you feel you are getting is 100% placebo" is so ignorrant and false. It shows you are clearly just a parrot repeating what other says without own research. TNE has a direct effect on your training output as it's in super human levels if you administer lets say 100mg, even 50 mg of TNE.
As you claim you can get gynecomastia I would like to ask you humbly, to link me to other threads which states that they have gotten gyno, such as the development of breast tissue without any symtoms. Best would be scientific reports.
Don't take this the wrong way. I am thankful for your effort of trying to help me as my own knowledge is very litle about this subject. I also absolutely agree with you about the possible dangers and that bloodwork might be the only true option. However, I created this thread to gain more solid knowledge about the specific points I was asking.
So your using this as a pre work out? Once a week ? Are you only working out once a week?
Your statement "And as I am not suffering from any consequenses".... YET! You arent experiencing any consequences YET. You are using an anabolic hormone which is unestrified and blasting it once per week to get a better leg workout.
That testosterone rush is sending your hormones into a fit. The body requires and maintains homeostasis by any way it sees fit. You arent even on cycle and are just dabbling in tne once a week. Its like me taking dbol, anadrol, methyltren, anavar etc because it gives me an edge that day. Its wreckless bro. Do yourself a favor and abstain from tne when off cycle.
So its ignorant and false huh? When you drink a PWO with a ton of caffeine doesn't that give you superhuman strength and make you feel the same? So how is it not placebo? They both have instant effects THAT WEAR OFF the difference is the TNE can fuck up your hormones where caffeine will not.\
if injecting TNE once a week as a PWO had any lasting effects don't you think for one minute all the pro's would be doing just that instead of cycles?
Why do you need scientific studies? I know, because there hasn't been any taken because even scientists knew it would be a waste of time. I have never used it because in my opinion its not worth it. I get all the motivation I need from my results and if I am not in the mood to hit the gym I take a drinkable pre workout and its game on.
Honestly this is not an attack on your character, its an attack on your lack of knowledge and common sense. You are only reading what you can on google and not reading the disadvantages and the underlying issues that can and will happen if you ABUSE drugs.
At this point I think you are trolling, noone could be this dense.
Boom!! I worked all damn night, come in here to his post. The response to his ignorance blew me away. Had to get some rest and had a feeling the responses would be great lol
You right on point Mac. There’s never been a great body built on drugs alone.
Sure there has, the exception is the ones who built it on drugs are dead.
Lol Good point.
Or, on the other hand, it can lead to unnecessary injury. And for what, the potential for a fraction of a percentage of extra gains, if that? I’m of the opinion that a motivated individual needs nothing before training besides a hearty meal and maybe a cup of black coffee, but that’s me.
Long term consistency > short term intensity
Well said.
basskiller89I didn't become a level 1 member by being ignorant about how food, gear, ancillaries, peptides and hormones work brother
Do as you wish but be warned you're heading down the wrong path
Sorry if I came of a little harsh.. Really appreciate you trying to spread some light about this topic and sharing your thoughts and knowledge. Keep up the good work!
You were a good poster when you had no karma.
basskiller89Thank you brother
Can you explain what it is your taking? What's tne?
Its testosterone with no ester so its mostly used preworkout because you feel the effects very quickly . I never used it though so I might be wrong .
Thanks so like suspension or super fast. Appreciate it.
“I know many of you will say it´s a bad idea to use TNE due to supression and not running test as a base.” I’m confused, you do realize TNE is test no Ester...
you should always get bloods done. Don't rely just on side effects and how you may feel. A blood test will show it all. Yes you can still get gyno....
I don´t understand what you are confused about. Running test as a base as you should always do and on that add other compounds or a fast acting test such as a suspenion or oil base, as a pre workout for example.
Thank you for your feedback on side effects. I thought the symtoms such as sensitive/hurting nipples or lumps where the tell tale signs of gyno. So you are saying that someone can get gynecomastia such as the development of breasts without any symtoms previous mentioned?
Please elaborate more thoroughly on your statement about still getting gyno despite having no sensory perceptional side effetcs? I am here to learn.